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Mizzou and Everyone Outside of the 314
Posted on 7/9/13 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 2:47 pm
Why doesn't the rest of the state (outside of Columbia itself) support the University like the 314 does? What is a better predictor of person's views of the University than if they are sending their kids to go to school there? Here is a list of the high schools sending the most students to Mizzou:
1. Rock Bridge High School (Columbia)
2. Marquette High School (St. Louis)
3. Hickman (Columbia)
4. Lafayette (St. Louis)
5. Desmet (Saint Louis)
6. Parkway South (St. Louis)
7. SLUH (Saint Louis)
8. Parkway Central (St. Louis)
9. Francis Howell (St. Louis)
10. Eureka (St. Louis)
11. Kirkwood (St. Louis)
12. Parkway North (St. Louis)
13. Lees Summit North (Kansas City)
Outside of Columbia schools, no other part of the state is represented in the top 10. Why is it that people outside of the St. Louis area don't see Mizzou as a viable option for their kids as much as St. Louis residents do? Is there a stronger connection between St. Louis and the University than any other part of the state? It seems to me there would be.
1. Rock Bridge High School (Columbia)
2. Marquette High School (St. Louis)
3. Hickman (Columbia)
4. Lafayette (St. Louis)
5. Desmet (Saint Louis)
6. Parkway South (St. Louis)
7. SLUH (Saint Louis)
8. Parkway Central (St. Louis)
9. Francis Howell (St. Louis)
10. Eureka (St. Louis)
11. Kirkwood (St. Louis)
12. Parkway North (St. Louis)
13. Lees Summit North (Kansas City)
Outside of Columbia schools, no other part of the state is represented in the top 10. Why is it that people outside of the St. Louis area don't see Mizzou as a viable option for their kids as much as St. Louis residents do? Is there a stronger connection between St. Louis and the University than any other part of the state? It seems to me there would be.
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Posted on 7/9/13 at 3:19 pm to reedus23
I've always said that St. Louisans are some of the proudest Missourians I've ever met. Each time I encounter a person from St. Louis outside of the state whether I be here in Las Vegas, visiting family in Chicago, or vacationing on the shores of Puerto Rico St. Louisans always astound me with wonderful stories of the Show Me State and their Missouri state pride constantly shines through in everything they do.
Sending students to the flagship university of Missouri is obviously a by-product of that pride. This is even more amplified by the importance of high school in St. Louis culture.
Sending students to the flagship university of Missouri is obviously a by-product of that pride. This is even more amplified by the importance of high school in St. Louis culture.
This post was edited on 7/9/13 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 3:31 pm to Mizzeaux
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Sending students to the flagship university of Missouri is obviously a by-product of that pride.
Yes, I think it's a shining example of their state pride that they would entrust their children's futures in the hands of the State's flagship institution. And it's from all walks of life in the St. Louis area. From the families whose kids attend private high schools to the kids in the outlying, more rural area public schools and everyone in between.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 3:57 pm to reedus23
You do realize that this isn't a rebuttal to the point I made.. And of course Cubs fan, who I rag on all the time, is going to chime in and say that StLers are the proudest Missourians.
Play beer league with many Mizzou grads, all of them are from Kwood-Ladue area... all of them talk shite about places like St. Charles.. and that's not even in the real boonies. Going to Mizzou isn't an indicator of pride for an entire state.
And of course the largest city in the state is going to have the most kids at the state flagship school, pointing out that fact may be the definition of redundant.
Play your little group attack games, disagree collectively.. doesn't matter. St. Louisans aren't into their state that much, just how it is.
Play beer league with many Mizzou grads, all of them are from Kwood-Ladue area... all of them talk shite about places like St. Charles.. and that's not even in the real boonies. Going to Mizzou isn't an indicator of pride for an entire state.
And of course the largest city in the state is going to have the most kids at the state flagship school, pointing out that fact may be the definition of redundant.
Play your little group attack games, disagree collectively.. doesn't matter. St. Louisans aren't into their state that much, just how it is.
This post was edited on 7/9/13 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:16 pm to mograyback
Not meant as a rebuttal nor an attack. You just got me to do some digging because when I was in high school, me and my friends always felt a close connection with Mizzou.
And it has very little to do with the size of the city, but more so the size of the schools. DeSmet is in the top 10 despite having a total enrollment of somewhere around 1000. I would venture to say there are a number of schools not in the top 10 who have enrollments over 1000 that are outside of the St. Louis area. I believe Springfield now has the largest school district in the State but none are represented there.
And it has very little to do with the size of the city, but more so the size of the schools. DeSmet is in the top 10 despite having a total enrollment of somewhere around 1000. I would venture to say there are a number of schools not in the top 10 who have enrollments over 1000 that are outside of the St. Louis area. I believe Springfield now has the largest school district in the State but none are represented there.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:18 pm to mograyback
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Play beer league with many Mizzou grads, all of them are from Kwood-Ladue area
First of all, Kirkwood doesn't actually border Ladue, so a Kwood-Ladue area would take in a lot of territory. Second, if you're hanging out with Ladue people, of course you're going to get this attitude - my ex husband was from Ladue, many of those people consider themselves above anything.
I'm not going to say that St. Louis folks are the "proudest Missouians" because I don't even know exactly what that means. But to say "St. Louisans aren't into their state that much, just how it is" shows a distinct lack of intuition and an inability to grasp the nuances of complex issues. Some are, some aren't, some would have to think about it if you asked. It's not the simple black and white issue you want it to be.
This post was edited on 7/9/13 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:23 pm to semotruman
Umm, might want to look at a map of STL. Kwood and Ladue are right next to each other. Tell me more about understanding complex nuances though.. 
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:42 pm to mograyback
Their school districts may border, but places like Frontenac, Glendale, and other unincorporated county areas keep them from actually sharing a line, I believe. I looked at a map before I posted to be sure.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:47 pm to semotruman
People often think of Kirkwood and Webster Groves in the same breath. I don't know if I've heard many put Kirkwood and Ladue together, though they might. I think Warson Woods and maybe parts of Rock Hill lie in between the two, but that's without looking at a map.
I don't know what it means to be the proudest Missourian either. How do you even evaluate that? Anyways, the thread was about Mizzou and not Missouri. I was surprised to see the numbers. If the STL schools dominate the top 10, why the troubles when it comes to athletes?
I don't know what it means to be the proudest Missourian either. How do you even evaluate that? Anyways, the thread was about Mizzou and not Missouri. I was surprised to see the numbers. If the STL schools dominate the top 10, why the troubles when it comes to athletes?
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:51 pm to reedus23
Rock Bridge FTW! My alma mater woot! 
That said, I can say honestly that I am somewhat surprised that the two CoMo high schools lead the way like that and I think a lot of it is probably more parent than student driven. Meaning, CoMo is saturated with Mizzou grads living there of course, so they tend to steer the kiddos to Mizzou...but I can tell you absolutely that the "cool" thing to do for CoMo kids is to go somewhere other than Mizzou for school. This has virtually nothing to do with sports allegiance (almost everyone there is a Mizzou fan) or not liking Mizzou as a school, but just the basic high school kid instinct to get the f*ck away from home for a little while and go out and experience the world. Couple with the fact that the CoMo public school system is top notch and hence produces a lot of good students, and you have a LOT of kids that do go elsewhere...many of whom, like myself, still remain diehard Mizzou fans for life after they leave. When I graduated, three of us from the same small *elementary* school class in CoMo all went off to Vanderbilt, and another went off to Northwestern. And this was downtown Grant Elementary School mind you not some high end Highlands/South CoMo affluent area school.
All that being said, it does me proud to see Rock Bridge atop the list. At the end of the day, as a CoMo native sometimes you have to go out into the world elsewhere for awhile to learn that the town you came from is the best college town in the country, but I'm glad most of the area high school grads get to experience that.
PS - it should also be noted that being a male high school student in CoMo SUCKS in terms of dating cuz for the most desirable girls you invariably have to compete with guys who are already in college at Mizzou, sometimes high profile. When I was there, one of the Kroenke daughters at Rock Bridge High was dating Jason Sutherland and another Rock Bridge girl was dating Scott Combs, who while a scrub in terms of the Mizzou basketball team, was nonetheless a 6'7" college guy competing with us high school dudes, so what the hell. So I dated a sophomore, cuz f*** it. Get in and start recruting 'em early.
That said, I can say honestly that I am somewhat surprised that the two CoMo high schools lead the way like that and I think a lot of it is probably more parent than student driven. Meaning, CoMo is saturated with Mizzou grads living there of course, so they tend to steer the kiddos to Mizzou...but I can tell you absolutely that the "cool" thing to do for CoMo kids is to go somewhere other than Mizzou for school. This has virtually nothing to do with sports allegiance (almost everyone there is a Mizzou fan) or not liking Mizzou as a school, but just the basic high school kid instinct to get the f*ck away from home for a little while and go out and experience the world. Couple with the fact that the CoMo public school system is top notch and hence produces a lot of good students, and you have a LOT of kids that do go elsewhere...many of whom, like myself, still remain diehard Mizzou fans for life after they leave. When I graduated, three of us from the same small *elementary* school class in CoMo all went off to Vanderbilt, and another went off to Northwestern. And this was downtown Grant Elementary School mind you not some high end Highlands/South CoMo affluent area school.
All that being said, it does me proud to see Rock Bridge atop the list. At the end of the day, as a CoMo native sometimes you have to go out into the world elsewhere for awhile to learn that the town you came from is the best college town in the country, but I'm glad most of the area high school grads get to experience that.
PS - it should also be noted that being a male high school student in CoMo SUCKS in terms of dating cuz for the most desirable girls you invariably have to compete with guys who are already in college at Mizzou, sometimes high profile. When I was there, one of the Kroenke daughters at Rock Bridge High was dating Jason Sutherland and another Rock Bridge girl was dating Scott Combs, who while a scrub in terms of the Mizzou basketball team, was nonetheless a 6'7" college guy competing with us high school dudes, so what the hell. So I dated a sophomore, cuz f*** it. Get in and start recruting 'em early.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 4:53 pm to semotruman
This is pretty bizarre. You said that Kwood and Ladue would be a giant territory bc they're far a part. When in fact, they're right next to each other. Way to wiggle out of that one though. I'm not even sure why I lumped in Ladue... there are 2 kids that went to Ladue High on the team. The rest all went to Kwood or Chaminade.
These interactions are just bizarre. It's like how married people get when they hate each other.
These interactions are just bizarre. It's like how married people get when they hate each other.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 5:06 pm to reedus23
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Anyways, the thread was about Mizzou and not Missouri.
Umm.. try reading your OP, and then your response to the Cub. You connected the amount people from STL that attend MU as a way to support your claim that STLers have great pride for Missouri. It's right there in the OP.
Your thread was clearly intended to refute mine.
Once again you backtrack. May be the most passive-aggressvie (or in these cases aggressive-passive) person in the e-world that I've met.
This post was edited on 7/9/13 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 5:48 pm to mograyback
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You said that Kwood and Ladue would be a giant territory bc they're far a part
No, I said they don't border, so it would be a lot of territory - you added "giant" and "far a part".
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Way to wiggle out of that one though.
When I lived in St. Louis, my office was in Ladue, so I got to know that area pretty well. People were specific about which little township they're from. And Chaminade is located in Ladue, kind of around the corner from MICDS. Prep school kids tended to think they were better than public school kids, and city kids tended to think they were better than rural kids. That's just the cycle. Most of them grow out of it eventually, and realize that you are what you make of yourself, and not where you come from or what high school you go to.
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These interactions are just bizarre. It's like how married people get when they hate each other.
I'm guessing you've never been married. Not even close, hun!
This post was edited on 7/9/13 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:01 pm to mograyback
It was meant to address the University and not the State and I still don't see a reference to the State in the OP. Regardless, of course it was made in response to your thread. Your thread is what got me thinking about it. I wouldn't say it was a rebuttal or I was refuting anything because it's not the same issue as you said.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:06 pm to reedus23
Reedus, did your list reference number eof students on average each year that go to Mizzou, or percentage of graduating classes? It would make sense that the bigger schools would send the most kids to Mizzou, but I'd be interested n knowing what the percentages look like. For a class of 200, 20 kids would be a lot, but for a class of 800, not so much.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:10 pm to semotruman
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When I lived in St. Louis, my office was in Ladue, so I got to know that area pretty well. People were specific about which little township they're from. And Chaminade is located in Ladue, kind of around the corner from MICDS. Prep school kids tended to think they were better than public school kids, and city kids tended to think they were better than rural kids. That's just the cycle. Most of them grow out of it eventually, and realize that you are what you make of yourself, and not where you come from or what high school you go to.
I don't know what any of this has to do with the quote you put above it, it makes no sense to tell me these things in response to said quote. And I went to the mentioned private school, I know where it is..
It's extremely bizarre that we're talking about where Ladue and Kwood are located. How does that even come up... they're both very close to each other. Like how did this conversation even go in that direction. So strange.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:13 pm to reedus23
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I wouldn't say it was a rebuttal or I was refuting anything because it's not the same issue as you said.
It was a way to rub in the disagreement, that is exactly what it was... your response to Cubbie exemplifies this perfectly. But, I know you didn't intend any sort of antagonozing by it (double cough).
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:31 pm to mograyback
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I don't know what any of this has to do with the quote you put above it
All I was doing was explaining that I'm familiar with that area, and know that various little communities lie between Ladue and Kirkwood. And gently pointing out that a group of young men from wealthy areas of St. Louis county may not be the best sample to pull from in forming your hypotheses about how St. Louisans feel about Missouri in general. Because as they grow up, their perspective will change.
For some reason, debating with you gives me a headache and leaves me feeling that we're speaking different languages.
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:39 pm to semotruman
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All I was doing was explaining that I'm familiar with that area, and know that various little communities lie between Ladue and Kirkwood
They border, please stop typing foolish nonsense, mmkay
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For some reason, debating with you gives me a headache and leaves me feeling that we're speaking different languages.
Tell me about it. Might have something to do with you not knowing what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 7/9/13 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 7/9/13 at 6:56 pm to reedus23
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Outside of Columbia schools, no other part of the state is represented in the top 10. Why is it that people outside of the St. Louis area don't see Mizzou as a viable option for their kids as much as St. Louis residents do? Is there a stronger connection between St. Louis and the University than any other part of the state? It seems to me there would be.
Could be cost. A lot of kids in this area go to schools like Missouri State, Arkansas, Pitt State and Missouri Southern which have cheaper tuition rates. People aren't making that much in this part of Missouri compared to STL and KC metros so the cost of attending Mizzou will hurt families a lot more.
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