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Better chance at success and better recruiting base: Tennessee or Arky?
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:36 pm
Honestly,
Who has the bigger pool of kids to choose from and who has more national appeal? I know this will butthurt some of the Arky fans, but I have to go with Tennessee.
*Arky and Tennessee are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
*Tennessee's facilities are nicer (although they went broke doing it)
*Tennessee's national appeal is bigger. Cali and FL kids routinely consider UT when they're up. (Arky fans: don't even bring up Collins. He was set to play under Bielema in WI and he committed to a coach, not a school. There isn't anywhere near the FL pipeline to Arky as there is to UT.)
*Arky has TX, but right now they're behind UT, TAMU, TCU, BAYLOR, OU, and LSU in the Texas pecking order IMO, as all of those schools have done better in TX than Arky has.
Overall, I'd say UT has a bigger pool to recruit from and nicer facilities, thus the better chance for success for a coach. USCe is taking a lot of 3* and 4* GA kids like UT used to in the 90s. If UT can get that turned around and use their national recruiting in CA, FL, VA, and OH, then it's a pretty good job.
I guess the better question is this: If saban coached Arky for 5 years and UT for 5 years, who would have better results?
Who has the bigger pool of kids to choose from and who has more national appeal? I know this will butthurt some of the Arky fans, but I have to go with Tennessee.
*Arky and Tennessee are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
*Tennessee's facilities are nicer (although they went broke doing it)
*Tennessee's national appeal is bigger. Cali and FL kids routinely consider UT when they're up. (Arky fans: don't even bring up Collins. He was set to play under Bielema in WI and he committed to a coach, not a school. There isn't anywhere near the FL pipeline to Arky as there is to UT.)
*Arky has TX, but right now they're behind UT, TAMU, TCU, BAYLOR, OU, and LSU in the Texas pecking order IMO, as all of those schools have done better in TX than Arky has.
Overall, I'd say UT has a bigger pool to recruit from and nicer facilities, thus the better chance for success for a coach. USCe is taking a lot of 3* and 4* GA kids like UT used to in the 90s. If UT can get that turned around and use their national recruiting in CA, FL, VA, and OH, then it's a pretty good job.
I guess the better question is this: If saban coached Arky for 5 years and UT for 5 years, who would have better results?
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:37 pm to Moustache
Easily Tennessee. They just need a coach.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:39 pm to Moustache
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Overall, I'd say UT has a bigger pool to recruit from and nicer facilities, thus the better chance for success for a coach. USCe is taking a lot of 3* and 4* GA kids like UT used to in the 90s. If UT can get that turned around and use their national recruiting in CA, FL, VA, and OH, then it's a pretty good job.
It's such a good job because of Kiffin and Dooley obviously. I mean just look at the success they had with all the built in advantages of Tennessee.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:40 pm to Moustache
im take arky because ut is a dead program and the flagship is just much cooler over all than ut
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:47 pm to Stonehog
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t's such a good job because of Kiffin and Dooley obviously. I mean just look at the success they had with all the built in advantages of Tennessee.
Great fricking examples. Dooley couldn't even have a winning record at LA Tech adn Kiffin has somehow managed to frick up the best talent rich job in the country with heisman talent at QB and WR.
honestly, what does Arky have that Tenn doesn't?
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:47 pm to Moustache
UT. No comparison whatsoever. Neither have a strong in state recruiting base, but UT at least has NC, SC, GA, and AL close by as well as a fairly strong national presence. Dallas is over 5 hours from Fayetteville and all those kids go to OU or Texas.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:47 pm to Moustache
:kige:
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:48 pm to Moustache
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*Arky and Tennessee are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
Tennessee and South Carolina are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:48 pm to Monticello
Arkansas' national presence is greater than Tennessee's right now and it's not even close.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:50 pm to Moustache
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honestly, what does Arky have that Tenn doesn't?
National AD of the year.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:51 pm to Monticello
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UT. No comparison whatsoever
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:51 pm to Moustache
Better chance at past success: Tennessee
Better chance at future success: Arky
Better chance at future success: Arky
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:52 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:53 pm to Moustache
Tenn has above avg instate recruiting.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:53 pm to Stonehog
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Arkansas' national presence is greater than Tennessee's right now and it's not even close.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:57 pm to Crompdaddy8
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Tennessee and South Carolina are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
Ehhh....I don't know about that. If you're counting Memphis as Tennessee, then yes, but Memphis belongs to Ole Miss, Bama, and Arky just as much as it does UT.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:58 pm to Moustache
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Better chance at success and better recruiting base: Tennessee or Arky?
Just take a look at past and present recruiting rankings and you'll have you answer.
Tomorrow UT will be #1 rivals recruiting rankings once again with 1866 points. Currently Arkansas is DEAD LAST #14 in the SEC in recruiting rankings.
also rivals.com last 10 years UGA vs UT
2002 UT 5 5*, 16 4*
2002 UGA 1 5*, 18 4*
2003 UT 1 5*, 7 4*
2003 UGA 2 5*, 8 4*
2004 UT 2 5*, 8 4*
2004 UGA 1 5*, 11 4*
2005 UT 1 5*, 16 4*
2005 UGA 0 5*, 11 4*
2006 UT 1 5*, 4 4*
2006 UGA 2 5*, 14 4*
2007 UT 5 5*, 11 4*
2007 UGA 0 5*, 12 4*
2008 UT 0 5*, 4 4*
2008 UGA 2 5*, 13 4*
2009 UT 2 5*, 9 4*
2009 UGA 1 5*, 14 4*
2010 UT 1 5*, 12 4*
2010 UGA 0 5*, 9 4*
2011 UT 0 5*, 12 4*
2011 UGA 2 5*, 12 4*
2012 UT 0 5*, 10 4*
2012 UGA 2 5*, 6 4*
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:58 pm to Stonehog
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Arkansas' national presence is greater than Tennessee's right now and it's not even close.
Nah.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:58 pm to Stonehog
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National AD of the year
So the frick what? It doesn't change the fact that you guys are so far from talent it makes it difficult to ever be a national champ or even an SEC champ.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:59 pm to Moustache
UT has Memphis. Plain and simple. Ark has nothing that can compete with this.
They are pretty much a tie in the area of cornbread and butter bean fed hob goblin honkeys up front. Its the speed and skill guys that UT has the instate advantage on.
With that said, UT is behind just about every quality team in the conference in instate talent across the board. They relied on recruiting nationally the years they they were really good and they did that by making bowl games every where when making a bowl game meant something. Now they can't rely on that to get them the big national stars anymore and their lack of instate talent is catching up with them.
Don't get me wrong, they still have decent talent when comparing them to most schools nationally, but they fall behind the bigger schools in the SEC.
They are pretty much a tie in the area of cornbread and butter bean fed hob goblin honkeys up front. Its the speed and skill guys that UT has the instate advantage on.
With that said, UT is behind just about every quality team in the conference in instate talent across the board. They relied on recruiting nationally the years they they were really good and they did that by making bowl games every where when making a bowl game meant something. Now they can't rely on that to get them the big national stars anymore and their lack of instate talent is catching up with them.
Don't get me wrong, they still have decent talent when comparing them to most schools nationally, but they fall behind the bigger schools in the SEC.
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