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re: Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:24 pm to GeauxPack81
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:24 pm to GeauxPack81
That's a decent list. I like the criteria used and your analysis.
First, here is my list, then I will explain:
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. A&M
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Arkansas
11. MSU
12. Missouri
13. Kentucky
14. Vandy
Building Blocks:
I would first group the teams based on whether or not the meet these categories:
1. Large, passionate fan base
2. Sufficient In-state talent
3. Limited In-state SEC or BCS recruiting competition
They come out like this:
LSU - 3/3 LSU stands alone.
Georgia 2/3 (Georgia Tech)
Florida 2/3 (Miami and FSU)
Texas A&M 2/3 (the fricking longhorns)
Alabama 2/3 (Auburn)
Auburn 2/3 (Alabama)
Ole Miss 2/3
MSU 2/3
Arkansas 2/3
Missouri 2/3 (talent)
South Carolina 1/3 (in-state talent and Clemson)
UT 1/3 (In-state talent and Vandy)
Kentucky 0/3 (talent, large fan base [football], Louisville)
Vandy 0/3 (Fan Base, In-state talent, and Tenn)
Attractiveness:
Then, there has to be some weight given to facilities and recruiting prowess.
First, facilities. Now this is debatable as frick, so I will give the benefit of the doubt where due, and group them:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, LSU, Tenn, South Carolina, Georgia, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU
Kentucky, Mizzou, Vandy
Recruiting Prowess:
Right now:
Alabama-- Scout #7, Rivals #9, ESPN #7, 24/7 #9
Arkansas-- 54, 40, NR, 54
Auburn-- 17, 17, 13, 17
Florida-- 14, 15, 9, 12
Georgia-- 18, 21, 16, 13
Kentucky-- 5, 9, 12, 7
LSU-- 5, 11, 4, 11
Missouri-- 39, 43, NR, 32
MSU-- 50, 45, NR, 45
Ole Miss-- 16, 14, 14, 6
South Carolina-- 43, 38, NR, 49
Tenn-- 6, 2, 6, 4
Texas A&M-- 1, 1, 2, 1
Vanderbilt-- 28, 27, 25, 30
Last two years (just using Rivals, too lazy):
Ave. Top 25ers:
Alabama-- 1, 1
Auburn-- 8, 10
Florida-- 4, 3
Georgia-- 12, 12
LSU-- 6, 16
Texas A&M-- 10, 15
South Carolina-- 16, 19
Tenn-- 21, 17
Ole Miss-- 7, 40
Ave. top 30:
MSU-- 26, 30
Vanderbilt-- 19, 29
Below top 30 average:
Arkansas-- 27, 34
Kentucky-- 29, 62
Missouri-- 41, 31
First, here is my list, then I will explain:
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. A&M
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Arkansas
11. MSU
12. Missouri
13. Kentucky
14. Vandy
Building Blocks:
I would first group the teams based on whether or not the meet these categories:
1. Large, passionate fan base
2. Sufficient In-state talent
3. Limited In-state SEC or BCS recruiting competition
They come out like this:
LSU - 3/3 LSU stands alone.
Georgia 2/3 (Georgia Tech)
Florida 2/3 (Miami and FSU)
Texas A&M 2/3 (the fricking longhorns)
Alabama 2/3 (Auburn)
Auburn 2/3 (Alabama)
Ole Miss 2/3
MSU 2/3
Arkansas 2/3
Missouri 2/3 (talent)
South Carolina 1/3 (in-state talent and Clemson)
UT 1/3 (In-state talent and Vandy)
Kentucky 0/3 (talent, large fan base [football], Louisville)
Vandy 0/3 (Fan Base, In-state talent, and Tenn)
Attractiveness:
Then, there has to be some weight given to facilities and recruiting prowess.
First, facilities. Now this is debatable as frick, so I will give the benefit of the doubt where due, and group them:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, LSU, Tenn, South Carolina, Georgia, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU
Kentucky, Mizzou, Vandy
Recruiting Prowess:
Right now:
Alabama-- Scout #7, Rivals #9, ESPN #7, 24/7 #9
Arkansas-- 54, 40, NR, 54
Auburn-- 17, 17, 13, 17
Florida-- 14, 15, 9, 12
Georgia-- 18, 21, 16, 13
Kentucky-- 5, 9, 12, 7
LSU-- 5, 11, 4, 11
Missouri-- 39, 43, NR, 32
MSU-- 50, 45, NR, 45
Ole Miss-- 16, 14, 14, 6
South Carolina-- 43, 38, NR, 49
Tenn-- 6, 2, 6, 4
Texas A&M-- 1, 1, 2, 1
Vanderbilt-- 28, 27, 25, 30
Last two years (just using Rivals, too lazy):
Ave. Top 25ers:
Alabama-- 1, 1
Auburn-- 8, 10
Florida-- 4, 3
Georgia-- 12, 12
LSU-- 6, 16
Texas A&M-- 10, 15
South Carolina-- 16, 19
Tenn-- 21, 17
Ole Miss-- 7, 40
Ave. top 30:
MSU-- 26, 30
Vanderbilt-- 19, 29
Below top 30 average:
Arkansas-- 27, 34
Kentucky-- 29, 62
Missouri-- 41, 31
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:26 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. A&M
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Arkansas
11. MSU
12. Missouri
13. Kentucky
14. Vandy
I'd probably agree with this.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 2:54 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:I can agree with you as well. It really depends how much stock you put into tradition. Personally, I don't think recruits will give a flying frick who won the 1958 NC 30 years from now. Tradition is something that people care about and use as a recruiting tool when they are winning, but when you are losing, people don't care about. The one team in the SEC thats even close to matching Bama's success over the course of history, is UT, and from the looks of recruiting rankings over the last 5 years, that "tradition" pitch ain't working out for them as well as people on this board would expect. That is why I put alot more emphasis on 1)recruiting base 2)competition for recruits. Luckily for Alabama, the state has some great athletes.
KaiserSoze99
ETA: Oh, and frick A&M... can someone post the gif of the freak sitting on Manziel's face?
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 2:56 pm
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