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Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:21 pm to ColoradoAg03
Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:21 pm to ColoradoAg03
the tennis serve would be harder.
it would be easier to make contact with the tennis serve but much harder to keep it in play.
On a professional pitch i think you would have a much better chance, because all you have to do is make contact, and then you have a good shot unless it's foul
it would be easier to make contact with the tennis serve but much harder to keep it in play.
On a professional pitch i think you would have a much better chance, because all you have to do is make contact, and then you have a good shot unless it's foul
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:23 pm to ColoradoAg03
Baseball
You could be the best baseball player of all time if you hit 4 out of 10 pitches.
If you are a pro tennis player and hit 4 out of 10 serves then you won't be a pro tennis player for long.
You could be the best baseball player of all time if you hit 4 out of 10 pitches.
If you are a pro tennis player and hit 4 out of 10 serves then you won't be a pro tennis player for long.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:29 pm to oklahogjr
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You could be the best baseball player of all time if you hit 4 out of 10 pitches.
If you are a pro tennis player and hit 4 out of 10 serves then you won't be a pro tennis player for long.
i agree with that. but the question is posed to us everymen. i stand by the sentiment that if the average male went up and tried to hit or return serve (field of play for both respectively) we'd have more baseball "hits" than tennis "returns"
Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:30 pm to 3nOut
Are we saying a hit, meaning in fair territory? Or actually a real hit in baseball?
ETA: Saw your parenthesis.
Then yeah, probably tennis. But then again that is taking a big part of the game of baseball out of it.
ETA: Saw your parenthesis.
Then yeah, probably tennis. But then again that is taking a big part of the game of baseball out of it.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:32 pm to 3nOut
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i agree with that. but the question is posed to us everymen. i stand by the sentiment that if the average male went up and tried to hit or return serve (field of play for both respectively) we'd have more baseball "hits" than tennis "returns"
I disagree unless bunting is an option. Smaller bat, balls are about the same size, the difference between 100 and 140 are negligible to the average person most likely because they'll be trained to do neither.
Is bunting allowed?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:33 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
I would say the hardest thing to do is drop a bomb on a moving target (see below)...
Posted on 4/29/13 at 3:33 pm to ColoradoAg03
Definitely hit a baseball. If a professional tennis player missed a serve 7/10 times then they'd starve.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:09 pm to HandGrenade
130 mph Tennis serve: 190 feet per second
Distance: 78 feet
Reaction time: .4091 seconds
90 mph fastball: 132 feet per second
Distance: 60 feet
Reaction time: .4545 seconds
Slight advantage in this metric goes to TENNIS SERVE
Distance: 78 feet
Reaction time: .4091 seconds
90 mph fastball: 132 feet per second
Distance: 60 feet
Reaction time: .4545 seconds
Slight advantage in this metric goes to TENNIS SERVE
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:26 pm to MrTide33
This is an interesting question.
Couple of things you would need to distinguish. Are we talking about top five tennis players / servers ever and top five pitchers ever. The Everyman will never get a hit / return off of these athletes in a reasonable amount of time. The amateur athlete in the respective sports would be a more interesting factor IMO.
So I am not an expert on tennis, but it seems a general hit would depend more on the defense / pitch type, etc. so I am going to assume we are debating a home run off a world class pitcher throwing a fastball in the zone, and a perfect return / (whatever the term would be if the server was not able to hit the return) against a world class tennis player. And in this scenario the baseball edges it for me because to the small area you have to catch contact in to get a great ht.
Would be interested to see area of raquet over possible area of service vs sweet spot contact area on bat vs strike zome type estimate. And put the reaction time number over the values just calculated.
Couple of things you would need to distinguish. Are we talking about top five tennis players / servers ever and top five pitchers ever. The Everyman will never get a hit / return off of these athletes in a reasonable amount of time. The amateur athlete in the respective sports would be a more interesting factor IMO.
So I am not an expert on tennis, but it seems a general hit would depend more on the defense / pitch type, etc. so I am going to assume we are debating a home run off a world class pitcher throwing a fastball in the zone, and a perfect return / (whatever the term would be if the server was not able to hit the return) against a world class tennis player. And in this scenario the baseball edges it for me because to the small area you have to catch contact in to get a great ht.
Would be interested to see area of raquet over possible area of service vs sweet spot contact area on bat vs strike zome type estimate. And put the reaction time number over the values just calculated.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:31 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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CheeseburgerEddie
A few more things to consider.
A strike zone operates on a two-dimensional plane, whereas a served tennis ball only has to hit a two-dimensional plane before having an having an infinite area (theoretically) where the ball can be
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:34 pm to oklahogjr
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f you are a pro tennis player and hit 4 out of 10 serves then you won't be a pro tennis player for long.
Actually, returning 40% of first serves is a pretty good rate for a professional.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:35 pm to MrTide33
You would have to make some assumptions, I would assume that tennis player would move in a straight line to any single place the ball could be hit and effictively create a 2D plane for the purpose of this but yes that and many other problems trying to quantify this type of scenario.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:37 pm to PrivatePublic
Another question, is it a one pitch / one serve or a strikeout etc.
Too many variables so based on gut instinct, I'm going baseball.
Too many variables so based on gut instinct, I'm going baseball.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:37 pm to PrivatePublic
Another thing to note about tennis: it is 78 feet from line to line but a receiver can stand much further back from the line. Granted, this opens up the server to be able to use a lot more angled shots, but the tradeoff is that a server swinging as hard as he can (to hit the 140 MPH serve) does not typically have as much control on shot placement.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:40 pm to MrTide33
It's not gonna be a fastball every time a pitcher throws to you.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:42 pm to bamafan425
I know, I was trying to simplify the problem by saying fastball vs straight hard serve.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:55 pm to bamafan425
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It's not gonna be a fastball every time a pitcher throws to you
That's fair, but we need some way to quantify. I think CheeseburgerEddie is right that we basically have to look at a straight hard serve and a fastball to compare.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:56 pm to ColoradoAg03
It would be more difficult to return a serve "in play" than hit a baseball "in play". ( assuming hard serve and hard fastball ).
However. A tennis serve returned "in play" is considered a successful return while puttin the fastball "in play" is not a guaranteed success. Pro ball players put the ball "in play" 8 or 9 times out of 10. The best ball players will avg 3 out of 10 success rate( base hit )
So for this reason it would be more difficult for the avg joe to have a successful at bat than a successful return IMO
However. A tennis serve returned "in play" is considered a successful return while puttin the fastball "in play" is not a guaranteed success. Pro ball players put the ball "in play" 8 or 9 times out of 10. The best ball players will avg 3 out of 10 success rate( base hit )
So for this reason it would be more difficult for the avg joe to have a successful at bat than a successful return IMO
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