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Another great win for SLU today
Posted on 2/22/13 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 2/22/13 at 10:55 pm
Beat Butler again today, this time in Butler's house.
The team seemed to be playing really well together. Their free throws were one of their only problems.
Wouldn't be surprised to see them make a deep tourney run.
The team seemed to be playing really well together. Their free throws were one of their only problems.
Wouldn't be surprised to see them make a deep tourney run.
Posted on 2/22/13 at 11:02 pm to Mizzoufan26
They're really solid. I wasn't sure how the team would respond to Majerus first stepping down and then passing away. They need to make a run because I think they have 0 commits and hardly any offers out there in this next class. They'll be ranked next week with back to back wins over VCU and Butler. Hopefully Mizzou can win tomorrow and find themselves in the top 25 too. 
Posted on 2/22/13 at 11:06 pm to Mizzoufan26
What is everyone's thoughts on Mizzou and SLU playing? I am one that, as a fan, would love to see the 2 play every year. I don't have the deep seeded hatred for SLU that some do. At the same time, if SLU insists all games be played in St. Louis, just not their court, I understand that's absurd. I also understand Mizzou wouldn't want to because it has nothing to win and everything to lose. Win and they're supposed to. Lose and you hear about it and recruits hear about it.
Assuming it would be rotating home and home, what is everyone else's thoughts on Mizzou v. SLU?
Assuming it would be rotating home and home, what is everyone else's thoughts on Mizzou v. SLU?
Posted on 2/23/13 at 12:38 am to reedus23
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what is everyone else's thoughts on Mizzou v. SLU?
If SLU can consistently be a respectable team, then yes. They have the new building; seem to be on the upswing. Would be nice if they can get closer to a Marquette type of team year-in-year-out.
Wisconsin and Marquette play each other once a year at rotating homes.
With the loss of KU, I think it would be a great game to have on the schedule every year.
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 12:39 am
Posted on 2/23/13 at 2:48 am to reedus23
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I also understand Mizzou wouldn't want to because it has nothing to win and everything to lose. Win and they're supposed to. Lose and you hear about it and recruits hear about it.
This. There is no benefit of playing SLU, just like there is no benefit of playing MO State. Would be fun for the St. Louis folks but logically it's not worth it. As you said, there's literally nothing to gain from us playing them
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 2:49 am
Posted on 2/23/13 at 8:08 am to KCM0Tiger
I can think of one thing Mizzou MIGHT stand to gain. The other day on TB there was a thread questioning why Mizzou can't pull the top talent out of St. Louis, particularly in the PHL and Norm Stewart days, but even continuing. It could help mend fences, build in roads for recruiting and show some that their perceptions of Columbia are off base which in turn may help recruiting St. Louis kids to Columbia. I mean, how much talent has Mizzou lost out of St. Louis since the Norm Stewart days through today. Kids that went to Duke, Georgetown, Florida and were even steered to SLU before going to Mizzou. I say MIGHT help with recruiting because Haith may already be making those in roads.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 11:21 am to reedus23
I do not believe Mizzou and SLU would target more than 2 of the same recruits.
SLU plays a hard defense discipline offense. Missouri is helter skelter when it comes to both.
SLU goes after smart basketball players. Missouri goes after 100 mph athletes.
SLU plays a hard defense discipline offense. Missouri is helter skelter when it comes to both.
SLU goes after smart basketball players. Missouri goes after 100 mph athletes.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:13 pm to KCM0Tiger
Silly to say that. Good for the fans and the state.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:20 pm to Mr. Blutarski
No, it's not good for the fans or the state. SLU has a good team one out of every four years. They're the 3rd favorite college team IN ST LOUIS (and kU is probably a close 4th). No one pays attention to them except when they're good. Local sports radio wasn't paying attention to them until they beat VCU.
So on years like this year it would be entertaining to play them. But probably not next year and certainly not two years ago.
So on years like this year it would be entertaining to play them. But probably not next year and certainly not two years ago.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
I see nothing to gain from one of them getting a loss either tbh
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:41 pm to Mr. Blutarski
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Silly to say that. Good for the fans and the state.
I disagree. Good for the fans? Yeah sure. It cannot possibly benefit Mizzou though. Beating a mid major in your own state is expected. Losing to a mid major in general is going to get you penalized. Mizzou has nothing to gain and the AD agrees, which is why we don't play them.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 2:18 pm to the808bass
808, I respectfully disagree 100%. SLU is far and away the favorite local university/college. Tell me one other one that fills a stadium their size. Plus, they get tons of talk time on the radio, always being discussed. Heck, Bob Ramsey, sport radio talk show host, also does the play by play of the Billikens games.
I also have to believe playing SLU would be more entertaining than playing teams like Northwest Missouri, Missouri Southern, SIU-E, SEMO much less Alcorn State, Appalachian State and Nicholls State.
Just my thoughts on it. Given the shitty teams we already schedule, even if SLU were down, I think it would garner more attention/attendance.
So if playing bad teams isn't a reason to avoid scheduling SLU (because we schedule tons of them anyways), what is the real reason Mizzou wouldn't want to play SLU?
I also have to believe playing SLU would be more entertaining than playing teams like Northwest Missouri, Missouri Southern, SIU-E, SEMO much less Alcorn State, Appalachian State and Nicholls State.
Just my thoughts on it. Given the shitty teams we already schedule, even if SLU were down, I think it would garner more attention/attendance.
So if playing bad teams isn't a reason to avoid scheduling SLU (because we schedule tons of them anyways), what is the real reason Mizzou wouldn't want to play SLU?
Posted on 2/23/13 at 2:22 pm to KCM0Tiger
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Beating a mid major in your own state is expected. Losing to a mid major in general is going to get you penalized. Mizzou has nothing to gain and the AD agrees, which is why we don't play them.
I agree with this. Do they schedule Northwest Missouri, Missouri Southern, SEMO and SIU-E then because they are not mid major so there is no chance of losing to them?
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/23/13 at 2:34 pm to reedus23
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I agree with this. Do they schedule Northwest Missouri, Missouri Southern, SEMO and SIU-E then because they are not mid major so there is no chance of losing to them?
SLU regularly fields competitive teams unlike the teams mentioned above. Too high of a risk with SLU with not enough reward
Posted on 2/23/13 at 2:40 pm to KCM0Tiger
Play SEMO but not SLU? You're telling me that this is better?
I'm out. Gotta go watch Southern Miss baseball vs. Missouri State.
I'm out. Gotta go watch Southern Miss baseball vs. Missouri State.
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/23/13 at 3:02 pm to reedus23
SLU has been to the tournament 1 or 2 times since 2000. They've had 20 win seasons less than 5 of the last 18 years. Their best finish before this year was 3rd in the A-10. They average less than 8k in attendance when a season ticket is $180.
Mizzou and the Illini have more local fans. Sorry if I phrased that ambiguously.
There's plenty of Mizzou haters in STL ready to bust ball if we lost. And if we won, that's what we should have done. There's no ROI at this point.
Mizzou and the Illini have more local fans. Sorry if I phrased that ambiguously.
There's plenty of Mizzou haters in STL ready to bust ball if we lost. And if we won, that's what we should have done. There's no ROI at this point.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 6:43 pm to the808bass
If the Catholic Basketball conference comes into being and SLU is part of it then they will not be considered a Mid Major. Then SLU and Missouri will be going after some of the same in state players. But only the ones on the East side of the state
Posted on 2/24/13 at 12:03 am to the808bass
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Mizzou and the Illini have more local fans. Sorry if I phrased that ambiguously.
There's plenty of Mizzou haters in STL ready to bust ball if we lost. And if we won, that's what we should have done. There's no ROI at this point.
I got ya. I thought you meant locally. Probably right about more Mizzou and Illini fans than SLU fans, but that probably has something to do with each of those schools having 3x's as large of enrollments as anything. I don't think 8000 a game is bad for a school their size. They're not a big time program so I wouldn't expect big time crowds.
I agree with the Mizzou haters in STL just as I understand there are SLU haters within the Mizzou ranks. Frankly, I don't understand either. Not saying either has to be a fan of the other, but I don't understand the hate. Just me though because I also don't understand those in STL that hate on KC and vica versa.
Agree 90% on the no ROI though. I think there'd be some ROI but not nearly as much as SLU would get. So in that sense it doesn't make sense to do it. I think that's the biggest thing.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 1:50 am to reedus23
(Not intended as a response to you Reedus).
The opinions in this thread about SLU playing Mizzou revolve around SLU's current reputation. What if SLU builds on this season and becomes something closer to a Marquette? Then is it cool if MU plays them annually?
Just read that SLU could be in the mix for the Big East. If that happened I'd expect them to grow as a program and would hope MU plays them regularly.
I do agree that SLU would have way more to gain than MU, even if they elevated themselves in the Big East. Still think it would be an overall good thing.
The opinions in this thread about SLU playing Mizzou revolve around SLU's current reputation. What if SLU builds on this season and becomes something closer to a Marquette? Then is it cool if MU plays them annually?
Just read that SLU could be in the mix for the Big East. If that happened I'd expect them to grow as a program and would hope MU plays them regularly.
I do agree that SLU would have way more to gain than MU, even if they elevated themselves in the Big East. Still think it would be an overall good thing.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 1:52 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:29 am to mograyback
I'd already rather watch Mizzou play SLU over south carolina state, even with SLU's worst reputation. But that's just me as a fan, not really looking at it from a what's best for the program, just what would I enjoy watching more.
SLU's biggest problem right now is it's academics. They have turned away kids that have been otherwise eligible to play and did, in fact, go to other schools and play. I don't think that will change as long as Biondi is in charge.
They were able to recruit on Majerus' name but now that he's no longer with us, I don't know how they're going to recruit. Next year's class is all but non-existent. Crews is the hot talk now with what he's done with the team, but there's also been loose talk about SLU pursuing Fuller. I don't see that happening unless they let him bring in the kids he wants. There's also been very loose talk that they would through crazy money at Pitino to lure him with a huge pay day to draw him away from Louisville.
If they do get in the Big East, do land a good coach and do improve, I still don't know if Mizzou would play them because the chances of losing go up with it.
SLU's biggest problem right now is it's academics. They have turned away kids that have been otherwise eligible to play and did, in fact, go to other schools and play. I don't think that will change as long as Biondi is in charge.
They were able to recruit on Majerus' name but now that he's no longer with us, I don't know how they're going to recruit. Next year's class is all but non-existent. Crews is the hot talk now with what he's done with the team, but there's also been loose talk about SLU pursuing Fuller. I don't see that happening unless they let him bring in the kids he wants. There's also been very loose talk that they would through crazy money at Pitino to lure him with a huge pay day to draw him away from Louisville.
If they do get in the Big East, do land a good coach and do improve, I still don't know if Mizzou would play them because the chances of losing go up with it.
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