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re: Hugh Freeze Quote Ayn Rand????

Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:47 am to
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:47 am to
I agree. The Christian Conservative who wishes to force his or her religious beliefs on others is no different than the goose-stepper in terms of statism and destroying the liberty of the individual. That's not all Christian Conservatives, but only the ones who can't separate their religious convictions from political.

Both sides have enacted their statist will on the individual under the guise of "protecting" people.

Is it so bad to let people make wrong decisions and suffer the consequences? It's like aggressor said earlier. Greed has to be balanced by fear in the market place. Bad decisions must be punished with failure and loss. Nothing is more damaging to liberty than dependence. We should be treated as adults. The Statist wants to treat us like children. The left wants to tell us what to do with our money and the right to wants to tell us what to do with ourselves.
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Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25454 posts
Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:02 am to
CrowFusian BootStrap Theory.

"Grab your boots, strap them on and pull until you are independent of the shackles of government destined to take the fruit of thy labor and pass it on to the lazy and weak. For it is to be said here and now that once you can take care of yourself, you need not others to do for you what you can do for yourself.

CrowFucious
This post was edited on 2/5/13 at 9:03 am
Posted by CHSgc
Charleston, SC
Member since Oct 2012
1658 posts
Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:15 am to
quote:

Is it so bad to let people make wrong decisions and suffer the consequences? It's like aggressor said earlier. Greed has to be balanced by fear in the market place. Bad decisions must be punished with failure and loss. Nothing is more damaging to liberty than dependence. We should be treated as adults. The Statist wants to treat us like children. The left wants to tell us what to do with our money and the right to wants to tell us what to do with ourselves.


Well, yes, it can be bad to make people bear the full brunt of their failure. For one, it inhibits the very risk taking that you claim to value as a free market proponent. And two, it's essentially a pretty shitty way to live: constantly in fear. That doesn't mean people should be guaranteed a living wage at the expense of those who do work or any nonsense like that. But it does mean we can work to smooth the edges of a purely market based economy by implementing a social safety net. Such a failsafe is a recognition that not everyone is the sum of strictly their own personal initiative and abilities, and that those that struggle are not down solely b/c they were judged wanting by the market. The goal of a market economy is to maximize output, and things such as public education, infrastructure upgrades, and unemployment insurance go a long way towards helping us get the most out of our resources and increase that all important marker of economic success: our GDP. A purely market based economy may give you maximum freedom, but frankly living in densely populated areas REQUIRES the surrender of certain freedoms in order to produce a smoothly functioning society. And in reality, a market can be just as constraining on your freedom as a gov't.
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