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So when do we find out the ultimatum on Cord?

Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:30 pm
Posted by pivey14
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Posted by 17theBears
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Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:32 pm to
When the MLB draft takes place
Posted by Requiem For A Dawg
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Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:44 pm to
July or August.
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Posted by BaseballDawg23
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Posted on 2/3/13 at 10:44 pm to
#CordOrBust2013
Posted by engie
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Posted on 2/3/13 at 11:25 pm to
The signing deadline was July 13 last yr(a Friday), and I assume it will be Friday, July 12th this year.

Cord will sign and most likely be on campus in the June semester working out with the team. This could be great for us(he loves it and wants to stay) or it could be just a leverage play to go after more money. LSU had a guy a few years ago that was well into fall practice before signing with MLB(the old deadline was MUCH later -- it changed under the new CBA signed in late 2011)...

A whole lot can change in a senior season when you are squarely ON the radar. His current ranking is based on a few good days at a Perfect Game showcase. So, it could go up or down depending. We had to protect ourselves and get another QB, but it is FAR from a given that he takes the MLB money and runs.

Current "slot" projections put him at between $530 and $640k(between #80 and #90 overall)... He will likely go lower than this due to the threat of college football/going to school period causing teams to worry, but the money should be pretty close since even though teams take him lower(safer), they will have to overpay the slot to have much of a chance to get him.
This post was edited on 2/3/13 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:12 am to
Draft is in June

Signing deadline is early July
Posted by jumbo
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:30 am to
Cord said he would only need a couple days after the draft to make up his mind
Posted by engie
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 11:09 am to
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Cord said he would only need a couple days after the draft to make up his mind


Nothing he is saying publicly should be taken as the "real truth" to his situation. Saying this is a ploy to project "signability" to pro teams in hopes of getting drafted as highly as possible(or at least where he deserves to be).

I researched this some last night -- and the new draft rules prettymuch prevent overpaying for slot picks in the first 10 rounds. So, where you are drafted dictates what you are worth with very little variation in the new system(all teams are allotted X amount of money for the first 10 rounds, so overpaying for one guy(relative to his slot) means underpaying for another one and likely causes you to lose the second guy.

Players that are perceived as a significant signing risk are much more likely to fall to the 11th or 12th round, where teams can overpay to whatever extent that they want without penalty. This is what we need to be concerned about with Cord. I can easily see our fans making it through the first 10 rounds and celebrating thinking we've "got him" -- when in fact, he probably gets a bigger bonus offer in the 11th than he would in the 4th...

Ideal situation is for him to fall to somewhere between the 6th and 9th rounds -- leaving his signing bonus at somewhere between $125k and $200k -- or less valuable than 4, potentially 5, free years at MSU...
Posted by engie
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 11:19 am to
This was the monetary breakdown for the Yankees last yr:

Round Pick Slot
1 30 $1,600,000
2 89 $548,400 for 2011 unsigned 2nd rounder, LHP Sam Stafford
2 94 $507,800
3 124 $378,000
4 157 $275,000
5 187 $205,900
6 217 $154,400
7 247 $141,000
8 277 $131,700
9 307 $125,000
10 337 $125,000

If he makes it to late 3rd round, but goes before the end of the 10th, I am going to like our chances...

FWIW, I've been close to several projected high draft picks in highschool, and while they all had different "numbers", it was almost always a round number. $500k, $750, $1mil, etc... If Cord goes below $500k, I am going to like our chances...
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 11:25 am to
So technically we need to pull for Cord to have a good year in baseball so he falls between 6th and 10th rounds and can't get overpaid in the 11th or 12th?
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 11:45 am to
I think its going to come down to more of what he is feeling than anything. Sounds like if he goes with football it will be only football and vise versa, so we either need Cohen to convince him that he can do both or for him to tire out on baseball. Just my opinion.
Posted by engie
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 11:46 am to
quote:

So technically we need to pull for Cord to have a good year in baseball so he falls between 6th and 10th rounds and can't get overpaid in the 11th or 12th?


It's really kindof a double-edged sword... He's projected to go high, so we need him to struggle somewhat -- but we don't need him to do badly enough(or cause enough signability concern) to drop below round 10.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 12:00 pm to
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It's really kindof a double-edged sword... He's projected to go high, so we need him to struggle somewhat -- but we don't need him to do badly enough(or cause enough signability concern) to drop below round 10.


I'm missing something here, what is so bad about him dropping below round 10?
Posted by engie
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

I'm missing something here, what is so bad about him dropping below round 10?


Reread my posts. Team have to pay basically a set sum under the new baseball CBA for the first 10 rounds. So, they can't overpay to get him if taken there.

If he falls below round 10, they can throw as much money at him as they want without penalty in order to try to get him to sign. This means his likely signing bonus in round 11 is >/= his signing bonus late in round 3.

It's common in the MLB draft that guys taken in the 20th round or later get offers of $500k or more -- they were just taken late because teams were worried that they were going to college no matter what -- thus didn't want to waste an early pick on them, but are perfectly happy throwing the same amount of money at them that they would have gotten for their "true value" overall...
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 12:15 pm to
If he performs poorly enough to fall that far will we really have to worry about that much being thrown at him? I mean if he falls farther than the 3rd due to performance why would they pay 3rd round cash in the later rounds?
Posted by engie
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 12:31 pm to
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If he performs poorly enough to fall that far will we really have to worry about that much being thrown at him? I mean if he falls farther than the 3rd due to performance why would they pay 3rd round cash in the later rounds?



You are assuming that players at taken purely based on performance. That's got nothing to do with why he would drop out of the top 10 rounds. He'd drop because teams were scared he'd play football/college baseball either way and don't want to waste an early pick on him... It would have nothing to do with his true "value" on the baseball field.

I was longterm close friends to 1 first rounder(HS), 1 supplemental first rounder(College jr), a 2nd rounder(College jr), a 2nd rounder (College jr), and a 5th rounder(JUCO). All those guys were "projected" in the early rounds in highschool, but most had perceived "signability" issues, although like I say, all had their "number" that they would have signed. One of them was taken in the first round and went pro, the rest went to college -- Other than the one, none of them ended up being taken prior to the 25th round out of highschool, although they ended up being offered fairly large sums to sign -- and I straight up heard scouts talking to them about taking them in the top 5 rounds. One of them was taken in like the 35th round in HS with a reported $800k offer(the one I was least close to) that he turned down...

Sandberg is well-versed in how this game is played, given his dad and uncle both played in the minors. He's telling scouts what they want to hear in hopes of getting drafted where he deserves to be...
Posted by dawgM2
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 2:35 pm to
It was said on 247 that he would know shortly after the draft, and PJ and others reported that it would take 1st to early 2nd round money for him to sign.
Posted by stoms
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:33 pm to
I'm not worried if we get him. I have no faith in Les effectively play calling for a left handed QB. Our offense would go full retard
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