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Does the SEC need to address how it determines division winners?
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:58 pm
Alabama may have been the best team in the SEC West, but I am not 100% sure. For example, LSU, Texas A&M and Alabama all had the same record against SEC West teams...they were each 6-1. LSU lost to Alabama who lost to Texas A&M who lost to LSU...three way tie.
Against the SEC East teams:
Alabama was 2-0 with victories over Tennessee (5-7) and Missouri (5-7)
LSU was 1-1 with loss to Florida (11-1) and win over South Carolina (10-2)
Texas A&M was 1-1 with loss to Florida (11-1) and win over Missouri (5-7).
Based on that, Alabama had the far easier OOD (out of division) schedule. I am not here to belabor that point. It isn't Alabama's fault that Tennessee, a historically strong program, is down right now.
That being said, what if an SEC West team (Team A) beats all of the other SEC West teams, but loses both OOD SEC games to finish 6-2. Meanwhile, another SEC West team (Team B) just loses to Team A to finish 7-1. Further, let's assume that Team A had a much tougher OOD schedule than Team B.
In this scenario, how would you feel about Team A going to the SECCG over Team B?
Should division winners be determined as follows:
1. Record against teams in division
2. Head to head
3. OOD record
4. BCS ranking
Using that logic, Alabama would have still gone to the SECCG. But this process makes year-to-year OOD scheduling discrepancies less of a problem...take care of business inside your division and you control your destiny.
Thoughts? In this scenario, how would you feel about Team A going to the SECCG over Team B?
Against the SEC East teams:
Alabama was 2-0 with victories over Tennessee (5-7) and Missouri (5-7)
LSU was 1-1 with loss to Florida (11-1) and win over South Carolina (10-2)
Texas A&M was 1-1 with loss to Florida (11-1) and win over Missouri (5-7).
Based on that, Alabama had the far easier OOD (out of division) schedule. I am not here to belabor that point. It isn't Alabama's fault that Tennessee, a historically strong program, is down right now.
That being said, what if an SEC West team (Team A) beats all of the other SEC West teams, but loses both OOD SEC games to finish 6-2. Meanwhile, another SEC West team (Team B) just loses to Team A to finish 7-1. Further, let's assume that Team A had a much tougher OOD schedule than Team B.
In this scenario, how would you feel about Team A going to the SECCG over Team B?
Should division winners be determined as follows:
1. Record against teams in division
2. Head to head
3. OOD record
4. BCS ranking
Using that logic, Alabama would have still gone to the SECCG. But this process makes year-to-year OOD scheduling discrepancies less of a problem...take care of business inside your division and you control your destiny.
Thoughts? In this scenario, how would you feel about Team A going to the SECCG over Team B?
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Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:59 pm to Chicken
Not you, too. 
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:59 pm to Chicken
Steve? Steve Spurrier?
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:00 pm to Chicken
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Thoughts?
My thought is I hope people realize you're the CEO before they start talking shite to you.
As for the topic, I like the way things are decided now.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:00 pm to Chicken
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:01 pm to Bryant91092
I would like to add that I was not talking shite, Spurrier also is in this line of thinking.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:01 pm to Chicken
Ban them. Ban them all.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:01 pm to Chicken
If I squint really hard I can see your point.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:01 pm to Chicken
Chicken = OBC 
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:02 pm to JDM1992
I would have to do research to see how this process would have affected things in years past, but I am guessing that most of the matchups since the SECCG started would be the same.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:03 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Using that logic, Alabama would have still gone to the SECCG. But this process makes year-to-year OOD scheduling discrepancies less of a problem...take care of business inside your division and you control your destiny.
I think that part is particularly important.
It makes sense to me. To be the winner of a division you should be the best against the competition within the division. What is wrong with that?
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:04 pm to Chicken
The over all W/L should be the deciding factor. Keep it like it is. 
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:04 pm to Chicken
I agree, but UGA is not going to like it. By your system they could miss Atlanta in place of UF. Still too humanized if we need a committee of circumstances to decide. It all needs to be settled on the field, otherwise you might as well flip a coin if there is another 3way tie.
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:04 pm to Chicken
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:04 pm to Chicken
Spurrier made the same arguement last year after USC was left out of the SECCG in the exact scenario you described.
I think the SEC decided against making a change because they want all conference games to be equally important and not effectively out of conference games.
I think the SEC decided against making a change because they want all conference games to be equally important and not effectively out of conference games.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:05 pm to Chicken
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:05 pm to Chicken
No. We go to an 11 game conference schedule, and outside your permanent, you schedule two historically strong and two historically weaker cross division opponents.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:07 pm to Chicken
Why have divisions?
Take top two teams, play them in CG.
Take top two teams, play them in CG.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:07 pm to Chicken
When you get into that though, I think it opens up a can of worms.
Someone is always going to have a gripe. Was it "fair" when Alabama faced 6 opponents coming off a bye week? By far more than any other school.
You don't have to go back to the 90's to see the last time UT won the east. I'm not against what you and OBC are proposing, but the law of averages will play itself out if things are left the same.
Also, can I have my sig back?
ETA: I am all for adding another conference game though, which will be a huge step in the right direction of "fairness" and also increases the amount you see teams from across the division
Someone is always going to have a gripe. Was it "fair" when Alabama faced 6 opponents coming off a bye week? By far more than any other school.
You don't have to go back to the 90's to see the last time UT won the east. I'm not against what you and OBC are proposing, but the law of averages will play itself out if things are left the same.
Also, can I have my sig back?
ETA: I am all for adding another conference game though, which will be a huge step in the right direction of "fairness" and also increases the amount you see teams from across the division
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:07 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Thoughts? In this scenario, how would you feel about Team A going to the SECCG over Team B?
If Team A is Texas A&M, then yes.
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