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Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:12 pm
Know there are people who are a lot more knowledgeable on this than wanted to start a discussion on our variation of this offense. There's a real nice Air Raid Summary article on the Holgerson and Leach variations but I've noticed a couple of wrinkles already.
First we've created a run option out what appears to be a basic Shallow Cross play which I think is going to be very challenging to defend.
I'm doing this off the Shallow Cross bc it looked very similar but I'm honestly not sure bc I haven't seen coaches tape. I think this is actually the play we ran but flipped when JFF scored the long rushing TD. My first reaction when I saw it was it was a scramble but I actually think it may have been a read based on how quickly the Y blocked down.
Flip that chart and EZ was Z and ran some sort of deeper out (rather than the 9) while the drag route from the Y (I think it was TJ but couldn't tell) ended up blocking down almost immediately. JFF drifted left in the pocket (remember play is flipped) and seemed to take off the second TJ blocked down. With the corner in man on EZ he never turned around and there was acres of space.
From purely a field coverage standpoint, this is essentially putting another player into the pattern. JFF steals the F route and the F chips and becomes a more centralized outlet. It's an incredibly easy read for JFF too. I'm guessing his first read is the slant but if the man on Y has inside leverage then his 2nd is run. TJ read that and took out his man.
Florida countered this sort of thing by staying in their lanes and not rushing upfield. It's the right counter but if we adjusted to run the real Shallow Cross instead Johnny would have had all day to go thru progressions. I think we did actually but he was just antsy in the pocket and wouldn't stay home. Even with very little pressure he was moving all over the place creating his own problems. You can really see the possibilities that can open up off this sort of dynamic though
First we've created a run option out what appears to be a basic Shallow Cross play which I think is going to be very challenging to defend.
I'm doing this off the Shallow Cross bc it looked very similar but I'm honestly not sure bc I haven't seen coaches tape. I think this is actually the play we ran but flipped when JFF scored the long rushing TD. My first reaction when I saw it was it was a scramble but I actually think it may have been a read based on how quickly the Y blocked down.
Flip that chart and EZ was Z and ran some sort of deeper out (rather than the 9) while the drag route from the Y (I think it was TJ but couldn't tell) ended up blocking down almost immediately. JFF drifted left in the pocket (remember play is flipped) and seemed to take off the second TJ blocked down. With the corner in man on EZ he never turned around and there was acres of space.
From purely a field coverage standpoint, this is essentially putting another player into the pattern. JFF steals the F route and the F chips and becomes a more centralized outlet. It's an incredibly easy read for JFF too. I'm guessing his first read is the slant but if the man on Y has inside leverage then his 2nd is run. TJ read that and took out his man.
Florida countered this sort of thing by staying in their lanes and not rushing upfield. It's the right counter but if we adjusted to run the real Shallow Cross instead Johnny would have had all day to go thru progressions. I think we did actually but he was just antsy in the pocket and wouldn't stay home. Even with very little pressure he was moving all over the place creating his own problems. You can really see the possibilities that can open up off this sort of dynamic though
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Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:16 pm to tmc94
Good post OP
If you watch the highlights, Manziel stayed in the pocket longer this week than against Florida. That's an improvement.
The coolest thing for me is the WRs learning to break off routes and find open areas when Manziel scrambles. That takes a hard-to-defend offense and makes it even more difficult.
If you watch the highlights, Manziel stayed in the pocket longer this week than against Florida. That's an improvement.
The coolest thing for me is the WRs learning to break off routes and find open areas when Manziel scrambles. That takes a hard-to-defend offense and makes it even more difficult.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:21 pm to tmc94
I'm sure you noticed when Showers came in what happens to this offense when a QB sits back in the pocket and delivers strikes. I'm honestly curious how much of the playbook Johnny is capable of mastering in the coming years when his decision making improves and hopefully so does his ability to get rid of the ball quickly. It seemed that any route over the middle of the field wasn't even considered in that Florida game, and there is always on option or two for a receiver on intermediate routes over the middle of the field it seems.
Who knows. I read that summary when someone posted it a week ago. I need to go back and reread it. It made me not hate the offense as much, but still not happy with it.
Who knows. I read that summary when someone posted it a week ago. I need to go back and reread it. It made me not hate the offense as much, but still not happy with it.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:22 pm to Smoke Ring
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The coolest thing for me is the WRs learning to break off routes and find open areas when Manziel scrambles. That takes a hard-to-defend offense and makes it even more difficult.
Once they get on the same page as the season goes on I think this part will only get better. Swope and EZ don't have a ton of reps with Manziel and actual game action will go a long way in improving this part of the passing game I think.
Thanks for posting OP
I'm excited to see what Manziel can do as he becomes more comfortable in the pocket. Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:24 pm to tmc94
Man, I was really hoping this offense would look like West Virginia's. More power running using the pistol/diamond. Not saying it might not look like that in the future, but I am pretty concerned about our running game.
A lot of people say that our offensive line is overrated. I don't think thats the case. I think its the system. Its hard to get push at the line of scrimmage when you are at a two point stance, instead of a three. You build more momentum with a three point stance and are lower to the ground.
A lot of people say that our offensive line is overrated. I don't think thats the case. I think its the system. Its hard to get push at the line of scrimmage when you are at a two point stance, instead of a three. You build more momentum with a three point stance and are lower to the ground.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:27 pm to Smoke Ring
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The coolest thing for me is the WRs learning to break off routes and find open areas when Manziel scrambles. That takes a hard-to-defend offense and makes it even more difficult.
I enjoy this as well. I believe one of the announcers during the SMU game said something to the effect that on a couple of Aggie scoring plays SMU was actually playing near-perfect defense for the play A&M called, but Manziel's ability to extend the play and improvise and allow receivers to find more open space was devastating.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:29 pm to Palooza11
I was definitely hoping to see some pistol/diamond stuff. I doubt we would show it against SMU or this upcoming week though because we don't have to.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
The way arky's playing, we may not end up having to throw that look at them, either.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:32 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:37 pm to Palooza11
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Showers came in what happens to this offense when a QB sits back in the pocket and delivers strikes
4th Quarter of a 41-3 game.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
From what I saw of their ULM game, Manziel could do some bad things running the ball against them. I hate to get my hopes up though.
Aside from Trey Williams I'm also not sure we have the guys to run a lot of the east/west type stuff that WVU does. Once we have Brandon Williams and guys like Quiv Gonzales, Jeremy Tabuyo, and Sabian Holmes out there that might change though.
Aside from Trey Williams I'm also not sure we have the guys to run a lot of the east/west type stuff that WVU does. Once we have Brandon Williams and guys like Quiv Gonzales, Jeremy Tabuyo, and Sabian Holmes out there that might change though.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:01 pm to Palooza11
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Man, I was really hoping this offense would look like West Virginia's. More power running using the pistol/diamond. Not saying it might not look like that in the future, but I am pretty concerned about our running game.
Tbf, WVU isn't playing against 250 lbs linebackers real often. I think that sort of stuff will work much better against a normal spread defense you might see in the Big 12 but is probably going to suffer vs the size of UF, LSU, Bama, etc. The Big 12 has a lot of undersized LBers to counter all the spread. We designed this offense with the SEC in mind. They see power running every game and we're trying to challenge their personnel.
However, I do think we've seen variations already that appear to derive from Holgerson actually. We've run a few east-west running plays that you simply don't see in Leach's version which is almost entirely dive/draw. We've also shown that diamond though not much...just enough to make a DC worry I bet though.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I'm sure you noticed when Showers came in what happens to this offense when a QB sits back in the pocket and delivers strikes.
It's definitely a different offense with Showers. He trusts his arm more and threw some rockets on the quick slants. JFF doesn't have that kind of arm. He challenges you in different ways and, given how late he was given the job, I wonder if we've even scratched the surface of exploiting his talents thru play design.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:08 pm to tmc94
at the guys who want to play Showers. You know nothing about football if you can't tell Johnny needs to play. Showers would have been sacked 15 times against Florida. I think our Oline is a little overrated. Joeckel will be a 1st rounder, and the rest are solid. That doesn't mean we can't run the ball more effectively than we have. I'd like to see more read option.
This post was edited on 9/17/12 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:10 pm to townestoldme2
Again, its hard to get a push on the line of scrimmage when your linemen are on a two point stance...
I think our offensive line is very talented. This isn't their style, but they will have to get used to it.
I think our offensive line is very talented. This isn't their style, but they will have to get used to it.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:18 pm to townestoldme2
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at the guys who want to play Showers. You know nothing about football if you can't tell Johnny needs to play. Showers would have been sacked 15 times against Florida.
No one is saying that Showers should play over Johnny(at least I think). What we are saying is that Showers possesses a positive aspect to his game that Johnny does not. That aspect happens to be proven to be of more pivotal importance in those offense. You can't simply not put Johnny on the field. He is too special of a player. But Johnny doesn't sit back and deliver strikes, and you would be naive to think that we are going to win some important games against good SEC teams if Johnny doesn't improve in that area.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:21 pm to TeLeFaWx
Wait, wait you said something positive about Showers that means that you want him to start. That means that I will make assumptions and say that you think that Showers is flat out better than Manziel. How dare you say something positive about another QB thats not named Johnny Football.
townestoldme2, don't bring that witch hunt shite from Texags over here. We all agree Manziel should be the starter, but to say that Showers didn't look good is an absurd statement. I like all of our QBs. Johnny is just that X-Factor
townestoldme2, don't bring that witch hunt shite from Texags over here. We all agree Manziel should be the starter, but to say that Showers didn't look good is an absurd statement. I like all of our QBs. Johnny is just that X-Factor
This post was edited on 9/17/12 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:26 pm to TeLeFaWx
He threw strikes in the Florida game and in the SMU game. He leaves the pocket early A LOT, but he is getting better. He has a better arm than every successful qb that leach ever had at tech. Arm strength is not the problem. He just needs to sit when there isn't pressure, and I think he has the tools and the moxy to do it. 
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:32 pm to townestoldme2
no witch hunting here. I think it's funny that we have probably the most promising young qb in the nation, and our own fans bring up "what ifs" about our 2nd stringer.
Also, I'm glad we have showers, because I don't think Manziel can stay healthy with his style of play.
Also, I'm glad we have showers, because I don't think Manziel can stay healthy with his style of play.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:34 pm to townestoldme2
townes, this is an open conversation about our offense. I'm glad you are on board with JFF but that's not really the discussion here
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