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A question regarding Coach Bryant's accomplishments and its duplicatication
Posted on 7/1/12 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/1/12 at 5:56 pm
1. Hopefully not a flamefest
2. This regards any school, not just UA.
3. The question: Will his accomplishments ever be duplicated? Anything is possible of course, but reasonable hope? Factors to consider: scholarship limitations, multiple TV outlets, huge sums of money that can be paid to top notch HC's.
I think this could happen at UF and UGA with lock down on in state talent and right HC. Also at UA due to its history (I don't think Saban though due to his age and not being there long enough). AU, UT, LSU is less likely I would think. Any thoughts from SecRant posters? Spurrier could have come closest from conference perspective but not national perspective.
As a comparison:
21 years
1961 - 1981 UA H2H
......UA...OPP..T
AU....17 - 04 - 0
UF....07 - 01 - 0
UGA...07 - 02 - 0
LSU...16 - 02 - 0
UT....16 - 04 - 1
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......63 - 13 - 1
13 Conference Championships
6 Major #1 awards
29 years
1983 - 2011 UA H2H
......UA...OPP..T
AU....13 - 16 - 0
UF....08 - 09 - 0
UGA...05 - 05 - 0
LSU...15 - 14 - 1
UT....15 - 13 - 1
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......56 - 57 - 2
4 Conference Championships
3 major #1 awards
2. This regards any school, not just UA.
3. The question: Will his accomplishments ever be duplicated? Anything is possible of course, but reasonable hope? Factors to consider: scholarship limitations, multiple TV outlets, huge sums of money that can be paid to top notch HC's.
I think this could happen at UF and UGA with lock down on in state talent and right HC. Also at UA due to its history (I don't think Saban though due to his age and not being there long enough). AU, UT, LSU is less likely I would think. Any thoughts from SecRant posters? Spurrier could have come closest from conference perspective but not national perspective.
As a comparison:
21 years
1961 - 1981 UA H2H
......UA...OPP..T
AU....17 - 04 - 0
UF....07 - 01 - 0
UGA...07 - 02 - 0
LSU...16 - 02 - 0
UT....16 - 04 - 1
=================
......63 - 13 - 1
13 Conference Championships
6 Major #1 awards
29 years
1983 - 2011 UA H2H
......UA...OPP..T
AU....13 - 16 - 0
UF....08 - 09 - 0
UGA...05 - 05 - 0
LSU...15 - 14 - 1
UT....15 - 13 - 1
=================
......56 - 57 - 2
4 Conference Championships
3 major #1 awards
Posted on 7/1/12 at 5:56 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
reserved for any additional thoughts, have to go eat now.
This post was edited on 7/1/12 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 7/1/12 at 6:06 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
13 SEC championships may actually be harder to duplicate than the 6 NCs...perhaps even more true with the 4 team playoff on the horizon.
Posted on 7/1/12 at 6:07 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
We may have seen the last of coaches staying 20 years plus at any school. Bear stands alone and probably always will
Posted on 7/1/12 at 6:09 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I don't think it will. Something that always gets glossed over with Bear is his success at Kentucky before Alabama. It's something no one else has been able to duplicate at Kentucky since then. That says a bit about how good he was IMO.
Posted on 7/1/12 at 7:55 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Not conference championships. I do however think Saban could come close to 6 NC's, at this point in time. You never know what the future holds and/or what obstacles will be in front. I think in a way, the 4 game playoff will be an advantage. Just since the BCS, if it had been in place, Bama would have been alive and had a chance for 2 more titles, than it already played for.
As far as Bear, he was a master in his own right. Those saying he had an unfair advantage, is basically sour grapes. Everyone had the same advantage. Bear, like Saban, was just better at utilizing what was available. I also think he'd be just as successful today. One thing that made him so successful, was his ability to adapt and change. He wasn't set in his ways as far as types of offenses he would run. He was about what would be the most successful and give him the better advantage. In some respects, I think that keeps him above Saban in some coaching aspects.
eta- also add in the fact, it is pretty rare for a coach to have the tenure at a school to achieve all that Bear did. That is probably the biggest factor and hurdle for any coach now.
As far as Bear, he was a master in his own right. Those saying he had an unfair advantage, is basically sour grapes. Everyone had the same advantage. Bear, like Saban, was just better at utilizing what was available. I also think he'd be just as successful today. One thing that made him so successful, was his ability to adapt and change. He wasn't set in his ways as far as types of offenses he would run. He was about what would be the most successful and give him the better advantage. In some respects, I think that keeps him above Saban in some coaching aspects.
eta- also add in the fact, it is pretty rare for a coach to have the tenure at a school to achieve all that Bear did. That is probably the biggest factor and hurdle for any coach now.
This post was edited on 7/1/12 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 7/1/12 at 8:02 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
No, too many rules in place versus when he coached. He cheated when cheating wasn't cool. No one will duplicate this. Unless of course you have Emmert on your payroll.
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