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This may be Auburn's problem!!!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:35 am
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:35 am
Again, I'm no Auburn hater and I wish all this never happened. I know everyone has an opinion about how this rule works or what the NCAA has or doesn't have and such. But in the end, even if nothing can be traced cash wise to Auburn or if they knew anything, Newton's eligibility decision should and will be based on the NCAA's mission to insure fairness and limit any actions which may allow schools to gain an unfair advantage. Thats why you have scholarship limits, recruiting rules, and financial monitoring. If these were not in place, schools with practically unlimited funds such as Notre Dame, USC,and Michigan for example can grab all the top players leaving very few for others.
In this case, and this is just my opinion, I think the NCAA may determine that if its indeed true Cecil was shopping Cam around, if he said "its not going to be free this time" , then that is a violation. I know-you're saying "no shite". Well, Auburn-even without knowing benefitted from that violation. If a deal was offered to MSU, if they were told in order for Cam to sign a LOI, it was going to take xx amount to get him and MSU refused,(as they should have)the NCAA may conclude that Cam's advice from his dad to attend Auburn was based on the fact MSU refused to pay and Auburn-even if they did nothing wrong in the recruitment process- benifitted from this.
Now, according to the column written by Andy Staples:
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So far, Auburn has not been implicated in the pay-for-play scheme. But by the letter of the NCAA's law, an athlete is ineligible the moment a rule is broken. Even if Newton didn't know about his father's request, this is the word the NCAA put out Thursday: "The solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules," NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn wrote. It is up to the athlete's school to declare him ineligible and apply for reinstatement.
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As you can see, the NCAA has made it clear this is a violation. I think this is what the NCAA is trying to figure out.
Now you may ask why is the FBI really involved in this case? Its because this could be looked at as a form of extortion which is a federal crime and now anyone involved could be subject to jail time.
The dust hasn't settled in this one yet!!!
In this case, and this is just my opinion, I think the NCAA may determine that if its indeed true Cecil was shopping Cam around, if he said "its not going to be free this time" , then that is a violation. I know-you're saying "no shite". Well, Auburn-even without knowing benefitted from that violation. If a deal was offered to MSU, if they were told in order for Cam to sign a LOI, it was going to take xx amount to get him and MSU refused,(as they should have)the NCAA may conclude that Cam's advice from his dad to attend Auburn was based on the fact MSU refused to pay and Auburn-even if they did nothing wrong in the recruitment process- benifitted from this.
Now, according to the column written by Andy Staples:
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So far, Auburn has not been implicated in the pay-for-play scheme. But by the letter of the NCAA's law, an athlete is ineligible the moment a rule is broken. Even if Newton didn't know about his father's request, this is the word the NCAA put out Thursday: "The solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules," NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn wrote. It is up to the athlete's school to declare him ineligible and apply for reinstatement.
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As you can see, the NCAA has made it clear this is a violation. I think this is what the NCAA is trying to figure out.
Now you may ask why is the FBI really involved in this case? Its because this could be looked at as a form of extortion which is a federal crime and now anyone involved could be subject to jail time.
The dust hasn't settled in this one yet!!!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:39 am to PuntBamaPunt
Look -like I said, I'm not a hater-just having a drink and looking at the situation.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:42 am to StarkvilleTigerFan
This has been known since Thursday or so. You can also add in Cam's quote about his Dad choosing school's for him which would mean that he his fricked if Cecil tries to play the Cam/Mom didn't know about the money card that leaked on Friday night.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:46 am to StarkvilleTigerFan
Got any more dead horses you want to beat?
We won't know exactly what's going on for sure until the investigation is over.
And this shite is distracting from all the other games and trash talk going on.
So what if we're dirty and have swagga? We just want to be the new "U"
We won't know exactly what's going on for sure until the investigation is over.
And this shite is distracting from all the other games and trash talk going on.
So what if we're dirty and have swagga? We just want to be the new "U"
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:10 am to Lee County Tiger
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We won't admit exactly what's going until the investigation is over.
Fixed it for ya. We in the non AU world already know! Can't wait till Au gets their NCAA present at the end of this month.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:49 am to Lee County Tiger
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So what if we're dirty and have swagga? We just want to be the new "U"
Auburn fans are becoming cult like....
Sheepple goin over the cliff'
This is epic!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:14 am to PuntBamaPunt
Is there any truth to the word going around that Cam's dad's church went from operating in the red to black. His dad's trucking business did the same thing. Right after he signed with Auburn.Go figure.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:16 am to gravedigger
The FBI is involved for several reasons. Knowing the NCAA, I think they actually begged them to enter this because of the scope of this case and the player and team status at this point.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:22 am to LarryDavid
The NCAA has already said that Cecil shopping Cam is a violation.
They know for a fact it happened.
The NCAA still allowed Cam to play.......they don't care.
It is over.....trying to get paid is now allowed.
They know for a fact it happened.
The NCAA still allowed Cam to play.......they don't care.
It is over.....trying to get paid is now allowed.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:47 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
The NCAA didn't allow him to play-Auburn did.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:55 pm to StarkvilleTigerFan
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The NCAA didn't allow him to play-Auburn did.
Exactly. Auburn knows what they are risking by playing Cam. NCAA wouldn't say, "We recommend you stop playing him." They'll just nail their asses retroactively by stripping wins, titles, etc.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:55 pm to StarkvilleTigerFan
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The NCAA didn't allow
Correct!!! and it will be part a their problem.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:01 pm to Lee County Tiger
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So what if we're dirty and have swagga? We just want to be the new "U"
No you don't, Auburn is better than that.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:03 pm to LarryDavid
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The FBI is involved for several reasons. Knowing the NCAA, I think they actually begged them to enter this because of the scope of this case and the player and team status at this point.
The NCAA didn't ask the FBI to get involved, they got involved through a completely different avenue I think!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:05 pm to BamaScoop
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Andy Staples hates Auburn
+200k

Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:07 pm to LarryDavid
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The FBI is involved for several reasons
The FBI was not invited in. They were in way before the fact
Google Bob Geddie, Auburn alum who was indicted in Oct because of FBI wiretaps. Has MAJOR TIES to Auburns foundation, as well as Pat Dye.
This is why the FBI is so quick to jump in on the Newtons.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:08 pm to StarkvilleTigerFan
The NCAA has also made players eligible that directly asked for money and grade help. As long as Auburn doesn't directly have talks with Cecil over pay for play it is very doubtful that Newton will be retroactively ruled that way.
The letter of the law says that but there are countless cases where the NCAA ruled for much worse that a player was fine as long as money changed hands. In some cases money did change hands and he was allowed to stay active. It is a strange issue I must admit.
The chance is there but Auburn has worked with several law firms for months on this and both feel strongly Newton is fine. I must admit personally I'm surprised as Rich McGlynn is not a guy that even gets into these types of things if a player is close to the gray area he kicks them out and says no but in this case he dug in.
The letter of the law says that but there are countless cases where the NCAA ruled for much worse that a player was fine as long as money changed hands. In some cases money did change hands and he was allowed to stay active. It is a strange issue I must admit.
The chance is there but Auburn has worked with several law firms for months on this and both feel strongly Newton is fine. I must admit personally I'm surprised as Rich McGlynn is not a guy that even gets into these types of things if a player is close to the gray area he kicks them out and says no but in this case he dug in.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:11 pm to Elvis Parsley
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Auburn fans are becoming cult like....
Sheepple goin over the cliff'
This is epic!
What Cliff? I am a fan not a football player or a coach...LOL...Supporting my team doesn't require much sacrifice at all. AU gets cleared great, awesome move on. Our team gets the sanctions I always have swimming to cheer for

Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:14 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
This story will completely unravel by next week. Our NCAA Compliance office is a strict one and there have been extensive meetings with NCAA officials all week, one in particular on Thursday had the Newtons present. With all the information from the meetings in Auburn's hands, we felt we could play Newton.
I'm liking our chances.
I'm liking our chances.
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