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Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:25 pm to DvlsAdvocat
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:25 pm to DvlsAdvocat
Here comes the NCAA:
Apparently they have no jurisdiction in California.
Bastards!
Bama shouldn't have gotten any punishment all.
Apparently they have no jurisdiction in California.
Bastards!
Bama shouldn't have gotten any punishment all.
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Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:26 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
A violation of the rules yes. I'm not denying that. But that doesn't make it cheating.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:32 pm to bamaboy87
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A violation of the rules yes. I'm not denying that. But that doesn't make it cheating.
Semantics. Cheating implies the breaking of rules, but it doesn't matter - Bama did something fundamentally wrong and got punished, albeit a minor punishment.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:44 pm to Bwana Whiskey
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The committee noted that the four highest amounts, ranging from $2,714.62 to $3,947.19, were obtained by football student-athletes.
So, let me get this straight. LSU, in its first major offense, gave Lester Earl a measly $5000 and our basketball program got completely gutted, but Alabama, a FOUR TIME OFFENDER in 15 years, gives over $10,000 to four football players INTENTIONALLY RECEIVING IMPROPER BENEFITS, plus gets cited for failure to monitor, and doesn't lose a single fricking scholarship? No postseason ban? And what the hell does it mean to "vacate" those wins? Are they forfeits? Do the teams they beat get to "vacate" those losses?
What a bunch of crap. Alabama better NEVER complain again about anything the NCAA ever does or ever HAS done to them. Bunch of fricking pets!
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:47 pm to Nuts4LSU
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but Alabama, a FOUR TIME OFFENDER in 15 years, gives over $10,000 to four football players
This didn't happen. Get your bottle and go back to sleep.Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:48 pm to Ross
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this was almost a non-issue with the football team
Four players receiving over $10,000 is not a non-issue. And that's just counting the INTENTIONAL violators. At a school that should go ahead and open office space in Indianapolis since they're up there so much. When an LSU booster (not the school itself) gave one basketball player $5,000 with no previous major infractions (at least not within any relevant time frame), it sure as hell wasn't a "non-issue".
It's cheating to do what they did. The NCAA compounded the cheating by not punishing them for it. In my opinion, NO Alabama win for the next few years has any validity.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:49 pm to Nuts4LSU
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It's cheating to do what they did. The NCAA compounded the cheating by not punishing them for it. In my opinion, NO Alabama win for the next few years has any validity.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:52 pm to Crimsonpanther13
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This didn't happen.
Four players, receiving between $2,700 and $3,900, obviously adds up to more than $10,000.
Unless you were referring to the four-time offender status, in which case you should refer to cases of major infractions in 1993, 1995 and 2002, in addition to 2009 (for which violations occurred from 2005 to 2008). Four major infractions in 15 years, the last of which involved over four times as much as LSU gave Lester Earl. And no real punishment at all, save for a joke of a fine.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:54 pm to Crimsonpanther13
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Crimsonpanther13
Pride in getting away with cheating is an integral part of Bama tradition. Bear made his whole career off of doing it. I would have expected no other response from you. Cheating is so ingrained into the psyche of the two major schools in that state, it really is almost considered a badge of honor to cheat and get away with it. What a sorry state.
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:55 pm to Nuts4LSU
The bookstore didn't give these guys cash. So stop implying they received 10,000 in cash. They gave them books and materials totalling that amount. The books were returned at the end of each semester and were probably good as new.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:56 pm to bamaboy87
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It wasn't cheating. No advantage on the field or in recruiting. Not cheating.
Using ineligible players. Paying players illegal benefits. It's cheating, pure and simple. A huge advantage results from using ineligible players and paying them. Would you like to see Jamarcus Russell on the other side of the line when you play us this year?
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:57 pm to tuck
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The bookstore didn't give these guys cash. So stop implying they received 10,000 in cash. They gave them books and materials totalling that amount. The books were returned at the end of each semester and were probably good as new.
They acquired the books for other people. Do you think those other people didn't pay them for getting free books for them?
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:01 pm to Nuts4LSU
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So, let me get this straight. LSU, in its first major offense, gave Lester Earl a measly $5000 and our basketball program got completely gutted, but Alabama, a FOUR TIME OFFENDER in 15 years, gives over $10,000 to four football players INTENTIONALLY RECEIVING IMPROPER BENEFITS, plus gets cited for failure to monitor, and doesn't lose a single fricking scholarship? No postseason ban? And what the hell does it mean to "vacate" those wins? Are they forfeits? Do the teams they beat get to "vacate" those losses?
Looks like you've got a clear understanding of things.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:01 pm to Billy Mays
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Semantics. Cheating implies the breaking of rules, but it doesn't matter - Bama did something fundamentally wrong and got punished, albeit a minor punishment
Well let's look at this another way too then. Say a student were to hit a teacher or something. TECHNICALLY that is breaking a rule. Or if a school has a dress code(I hate dress codes just for the record...they piss me off)...and a student violates the dress code: that is breaking the rules. That doesn't make it cheating. That's not somethign you can cheat with.
I KNOW it's not the same. And don't get me wrong, I DO see what you're saying. But just try to see what I'm saying please. It involved textbooks. It did not help the team win games. It gave them no avantage over other teams. Textbooks are not something you can cheat with unless you're using it to cheat on tests and shite like that.
So I see what you're saying about how a breaking of rules can be viewed as cheating, but I am just saying there are other ways to look at it. Some can view it as cheating(although it wasn't and mostly our rivals and people that don't know the situation say that), and some just see it as collge kids(a bunch of them) making a dumbass mistake.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:01 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Who knows? Neither you nor I can say that with any shred of credibility. What I can do is look at the NCAA's ruling and infer what I think happened. I'll put it to you this way. If they had received cash for those books, I can guarantee you that the penalty would have been more harsh.
Do you think those other people didn't pay them for getting free books for them?
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:03 pm to tuck
I find all the fake outrage very funny
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:04 pm to Nuts4LSU
Wow, what a crybaby
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:06 pm to tuck
When I was in school you could sell your textbooks...get this, FOR CASH! No reciepts, no questions.
But you're probably right, what would overworked underpaid college students want with cash when they can have books.
But you're probably right, what would overworked underpaid college students want with cash when they can have books.
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:10 pm to TigerConvert
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When I was in school you could sell your textbooks...get this, FOR CASH! No reciepts, no questions.
Ok. Good for you, I guess. What's your point?
They all returned the books. If not returned, they paid the full price for the book. In the end, after the situation was fixed, no one of them could benefit, unless they sold it for more money it cost in the bookstore.
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:11 pm to TigerConvert
They HAVE to and DID return them at the end of the semester. What don't you people get about that? The bookstore sure as hell didn't give them cash for their schollie books.
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