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re: Ranking SEC Recruiting Staffs

Posted on 5/23/09 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 5/23/09 at 7:12 pm to
Vol, you state this:

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Alabama, This staff has signed two Rivals.com Number 1 classes in two full recruiting years, hard to argue with results.


Then follow it with this:

Ole Miss, Signed 37 prospects in Houston Nutt's first full class. Quanity is not always the answer though. The average star of those 37 players was 3.11.

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Here's why no one cares about the overrated
Bama recruiting. First they win the titles with basically smoke and mirrors. Saban intentionally
oversigns, something Miles and Meyer don't have to do, and in the process their real averages, the average of there exact needs, are usually higher.

For example the 2009 Rival averages:

Florida 16 players, 3.94 ranking
Bama 27 players 3.81 ranking
LSU 24 players 3.79 ranking

If you judge by last year, based on what
you're saying, UF has the best quality.

Furthermore, LSU got every important player (sans Jackson) they needed and many recruiting gurus think think LSU, not Bama had the better class.


Let's go a little further Now the 2008 rankingsand that other Bama #1 class:

Florida 22 players 3.82
Bama 32 players 3.72
LSU 26 players 3.58

We already know that 1/3 of Bama's so called recruiting class is already gone. LSU lost 4 of their players. Florida lost two. Florida easily had the better class.

And the 2007 rankings

Florida 27 players, 3.89
Bama 25 players 3.28
LSU 26 players 3.88

Anyway, the point is obvious. Note that LSU and
Florida never oversign.

Bama always does.


Florida hands down, has the better recruiting over based on your own words.


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So what about the Saban factor?

And since we all want to zero in on how supposedly great Saban is, note the following:

Since he has been there, Saban has recruited 84 Bama players--- total average 3.63

Meyer and Florida since Saban showed? In UF's case, try 65 players and a 3.88 average.

Much Higher than Saban.
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Miles and LSU since Saban showed up? In LSU's case, try 76 players and a average of 3.753 In fact, LSU's three (3) year average of 3.753 is almost identical to Bama's two #1 classes 3.765.

We're talking .0012 of a difference. Not enough to even make a single t-shirt.

It may be noted that Rivals averages of Bama
have been consistantly higher than any other recruiting group (name it, Scout, ESPN, Ludengill, Emsfinger, whoever/whatever) yet Bama is barely even with LSU and easily trails UF in every imaginable way over the last 2 and three year periods.

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[b]Like you stated, it's quality.

If so, then both Miles and Meyer are better than Saban.



Florida has way more, and LSU has virtually as much over the last two years, and LSU has more over Miles' tenure since Saban showed up in Gumpland.


Based on the same, Bama drops to #3.

1) Florida
2) LSU
3) Bama


And no amount of Rival bama arse kissing can change that.


This post was edited on 5/23/09 at 7:18 pm
Posted by Expert
Member since Jul 2008
493 posts
Posted on 5/23/09 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

We already know that 1/3 of Bama's so called recruiting class is already gone.


You said this in reference to the 2008 recruiting class... just for the record 5 of 32 isn't close to 1/3.

quote:

Anyway, the point is obvious. Note that LSU and
Florida never oversign.

Bama always does.


LSU and Florida don't have to oversign, they already have more than enough talent to compete on a national level. By comparison Bama didn't have nearly the same talent level and Saban did the smart thing by bringing in as much top level talent as possible. You guys always assume that he's doing this to win recruiting national titles and not to bring Bama to the same level as LSU & Florida. What do you want him to do? Put in a 5 year plan and recruit 17-25 players a year all in the name of being honorable... actually you probably do. At some point the talent at Bama will be comparable to just about every other program at the top and the signing classes will be around 20-25 and then we can claim that Saban is righteous and holy for not oversigning. That's what you're doing for Miles and you're pretending that the fact that Miles inherited a loaded program has nothing to do with it.

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Since he has been there, Saban has recruited 84 Bama players--- total average 3.63


Counting Saban's first recruiting class is misleading. He signed them, they're his players but to act like his 1 month of recruiting is a fair representation of his abilities vs. Meyer and Miles is dumb.

His past two classes = 59 players at an avg. of 3.76

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Miles and LSU since Saban showed up? In LSU's case, try 76 players and a average of[b] 3.753 In fact, LSU's three (3) year average of 3.753 is almost identical to Bama's two #1 classes 3.765.


Again to be fair going by the past two years Miles classes = 50 players at an avg. of 3.68

Meyer on the other hand is off the charts but to be fair it has to be a 1000x more appealing as an 18yr old to go to Florida than any other SEC school.
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