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CFP: 4/6 Teams vs 12-16 Teams

Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:27 am
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:27 am
The quote below is from the thread about the NFL game blowouts yesterday.

quote:

The parity is off the charts. Having a large playoff for them is fine but having a 12-16 team playoff in college is utterly stupid. there simply aren't more than about 5 teams each year that after 13 games truly deserve to be called national champion.


While I'm sure most here agree that maybe only about 5 teams each year are national championship capable, what is the damage caused by having 12-16 teams in playoffs?

For the examples below, lets assume that the current format will stay the same except seed the teams based on actual final CFP rankings.

Using your 5 team example, a four team playoff excludes one of those teams.

If we have a 6 team playoff, then a "non NC capable team" will be allowed in the field. This, of course, will cause big controversies each year when selecting the 6th team.

Using the current 12 team format, if there are truly 5 teams capable teams of winning the NC, then those five should all definitely make the quarterfinals, with all but one making it to the semifinals. If they don't, then the premise that there are only 5 teams capable of winning the NC will be proven invalid because there is absolutely no selection criteria that can guarantee the "best teams" are selected. With some obvious exceptions, that opinion is very subjective.

By having a 12-16 team playoff, the 5 teams most people consider NC caliber will NEVER be left out...such as 2004 Auburn. We felt screwed, but if USC or OU would have been left out, the travesty would have been just as great...a non win situation.

Even though Auburn never had a chance to make the playoff this year, I admit I enjoyed watching many schools play games late in the season with NC hopes (no matter how unrealistic) still on the line. Those fan bases have usually checked out by late Sept/early Oct.

One of the great things about America is the "American Dream". To me, that (for the most part) means living in a country where my opportunities for success are not determined by people and decisions out of my control...although there will always be exceptions. Schools making the playoffs should not be judged by " lineage". That, IMO, is un-American.

Use Auburn basketball as an example.

Most everyone here that has followed college basketball for the last 40-50 years knows that historically Auburn basketball has been very mediocre for the most part with some short term outliers sprinkled about.

However, since Bruce took over, I think many people would agree that Auburn has become one of the top programs in the SEC and nationally. That was unthinkable ten years ago. Schools shouldn't have to be anchored down by a lack of previous success.

I believe there are a number of college football programs capable of having a similar transformation now. I actually think that is a good thing for college football in general.

All of that said, if the TRANSFER PORTAL is not regulated ASAP, then the future of college sports in general is dismal. That is way more damaging than NIL.

I personally preferred an 8 team field with no byes, but they will never reduce the field now.
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:29 am to
Holy mother of essays.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:33 am to
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Holy mother of essays.
I forgot to consider the attention span of those such as yourself.

Sorry
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:34 am to
It's a joke, dude. I'm a part-time essay proofreader.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
18247 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:34 am to
Baw, you could have just posted this and be done with it:

quote:

All of that said, if the TRANSFER PORTAL is not regulated ASAP, then the future of college sports in general is dismal. That is way more damaging than NIL.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:37 am to
quote:

It's a joke, dude. I'm a part-time essay proofreader
Apologies.

And for the record, I knew the length would draw attention…

Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:37 am to
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:40 am to
quote:

Baw, you could have just posted this and be done with it: quote:All of that said, if the TRANSFER PORTAL is not regulated ASAP, then the future of college sports in general is dismal. That is way more damaging than NIL.
Why?

That alone doesn’t convey my opinion of the subject.

Plus, do you REALLY think that the transfer portal being fixed would eliminate the constant crying and bitching about the number of teams in the playoffs when your beloved team misses out?

Really?????
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88607 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:53 am to
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maybe only about 5 teams each year are national championship capable, what is the damage caused by having 12-16 teams in playoffs?


I mean you literally just answered yourself already. It's unnecessary and rewards undeserving teams. If that's your mindset why stop at 16? Why not 24, or even 48?
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Member since Oct 2023
5989 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 9:57 am to
What I really don't get is why so many people have such a problem with it. Deserving teams (top 4, etc.) get in, plus some Cinderella scrubs to give the mid-majors hope.

At the end of the day, it's more football. That's what matters to me as a fan. The scrubs will get eliminated, like we saw in the first round. You all can keep arguing and complaining, but as for me, I will enjoy the extended CFB season.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:34 am to
quote:

I mean you literally just answered yourself already. It's unnecessary and rewards undeserving teams
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

How did I answer the question: Why is a 12-16 team playoff DAMAGING to college football?

Can you explain how 12-16 teams DAMAGES college football?

Why do you have no problem with potentially deserving teams being left out, but are really bothered by what YOU think are undeserving teams making the playoffs? Again, what is the damage caused?

quote:

If that's your mindset why stop at 16? Why not 24, or even 48?
Is this a real question or just a real dumbass question? You are crying about too many teams and now ask why not expand further.

This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 11:26 am
Posted by JetDawg
Los Angeles/USC Trojans fan/alum
Member since Oct 2020
8863 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:36 am to
The CFP should be properly named, "The College Football INVITATIONAL".
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:41 am to
quote:

What I really don't get is why so many people have such a problem with it. Deserving teams (top 4, etc.) get in, plus some Cinderella scrubs to give the mid-majors hope.

At the end of the day, it's more football. That's what matters to me as a fan. The scrubs will get eliminated, like we saw in the first round. You all can keep arguing and complaining, but as for me, I will enjoy the extended CFB season.
100% this.

I have always been utterly amazed at the number of "supposed college football fans" that get irrationally angry because "there are two many bowls".

Why in the hell would any college football fan be upset with more games being played?

It's almost as if those people are being forced to watch a game against their will.

I absolutely despise the NBA, but would never complain about it's existence because there are people who actually do like/love it and that has zero negative impact on me.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88607 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Can you explain how 12-16 teams DAMAGES college football?


I just told you, it rewards the undeserving. There will never, ever, ever at any point in CFB history be 16 teams after 13 games that deserve to be champion. Ever. It's truly impossible.

quote:

Why do you have no problem with potentially deserving teams being left out,


Because they were left out for a reason. Therefore, they are undeserving.

There is simply no reason besides money why we shouldn't just have 6 teams max.

Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:43 am to
quote:

The CFP should be properly named, "The College Football INVITATIONAL".
ANY format that allows for at-large berths is an " invitational".

I would have no problem with that..
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 10:55 am to
quote:

I just told you, it rewards the undeserving. There will never, ever, ever at any point in CFB history be 16 teams after 13 games that deserve to be champion. Ever. It's truly impossible
That lack of reading comprehension is glaring again.

You did not address my issue as to why it is better for a DESERVING team to be left out rather than, God forbid, an UNDESERVING team make the playoffs.

And, please provide us with your perfect way to determine who has a DESERVING team that is NOT subjective.

For example, I will actually give UGA fans major props for how most of them handled being left out of the CFP last year. I was quite impressed. In my opinion, you guys should still have made the playoffs as well as bama for winning the SEC.

A playoff field greater than 4 teams would have prevented that and allowed your much deserving one loss team to still have a LEGITIMATE chance at another NC.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18432 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

All of that said, if the TRANSFER PORTAL is not regulated ASAP, then the future of college sports in general is dismal. That is way more damaging than NIL.


Portal: repay all money, one time no fault transfer.

Graduate transfer: keep this.

Modeled after Coach Mike Leach
Scholarship: 3 year deal
NIL: can leave or be cut at anytime

Hybrid:
All NIL structured over 5 years with half placed in trust until player is 30 years old.

Portal open once per year after spring semester. Closes June 15.
Posted by Tolbert1906
Member since Aug 2009
2244 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:17 pm to
I miss the BCS. And the 12-team SEC with east and west divisions.
Posted by NickPapageorgio
Yuma, AZ
Member since Oct 2014
849 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:25 pm to
8 team with 5 P5 champs plus 3 at large was optimal.

A refusal to implement that instead of the 4 team playoff because it would "water down" the playoff is what caused the 12 team which is quickly heading to a 16 team.

Just last year a 4 team was a disaster. The best team was left out, UGA. An undefeated P5 champ was also left out, FSU.

Had it been an 8 team field neither would have been left out.

Today, after all the mistakes, the only thing left is a pure 16 team playoff with 4 or 5 guaranteed slots to conference champs plus a large pool of at large. 12 is asinine. Byes.....auto byes?........to G5 teams?

It's a clown show. We can thank the people who insisted on just 2 teams then just 4 teams for killing all the traditions and a smaller elite field of conference champs and select runners up.

They asked for it so let them watch truly "undeserving" teams get a shot in a watered down playoff.

When they complain, they caused it....remind them.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4731 posts
Posted on 12/26/24 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

8 team with 5 P5 champs plus 3 at large was optimal.

A refusal to implement that instead of the 4 team playoff because it would "water down" the playoff is what caused the 12 team which is quickly heading to a 16 team.

Just last year a 4 team was a disaster. The best team was left out, UGA. An undefeated P5 champ was also left out, FSU.

Had it been an 8 team field neither would have been left out.

Today, after all the mistakes, the only thing left is a pure 16 team playoff with 4 or 5 guaranteed slots to conference champs plus a large pool of at large. 12 is asinine. Byes.....auto byes?........to G5 teams?

It's a clown show. We can thank the people who insisted on just 2 teams then just 4 teams for killing all the traditions and a smaller elite field of conference champs and select runners up.

They asked for it so let them watch truly "undeserving" teams get a shot in a watered down playoff.

When they complain, they caused it....remind them.
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