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NIL IS Pay for Play. Every SEC school is doing it.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:19 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:19 am
It blows my mind how some of the people on this board don't realize it. Every player on every SEC roster has a Pay for Play deal. If your school's collective doesn't live up to the agreement, your players will jump ship.
This is exactly what happens to Jaden Rashada at UF. Promised him the moon and couldn't deliver.
This is the world we live in.
This is exactly what happens to Jaden Rashada at UF. Promised him the moon and couldn't deliver.
This is the world we live in.
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:59 am to HottyToddy7
Legally it's not, which is why if a player decides to sit out there's nothing you can do, so long as he fulfills whatever obligations are in the actual NIL contract.
But if a player does sit out for whatever the reason it'll make it incredibly difficult for him to sign on elsewhere.
You're right though, if an NIL is promised and not delivered, the team's in trouble, whereas 10 years ago, if a booster bailed there wasn't much the player could do.
But if a player does sit out for whatever the reason it'll make it incredibly difficult for him to sign on elsewhere.
You're right though, if an NIL is promised and not delivered, the team's in trouble, whereas 10 years ago, if a booster bailed there wasn't much the player could do.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:10 am to HottyToddy7
I kind of agree but kind of don't.
I view the term "pay to play" as paying a player to come to your school.
NOT a player getting NIL based on their performance in the past.
A player getting NIL without doing anything in college for me is different than a player getting a NIL deal due to college performance or even winning a starting job.
The latter is more what NIL was intended to be. The starting QB (even if they haven't taken a snap yet) has value in endorsing products. NIL was supposed to funnel a player like that money. It wasn't meant to give money to recruits to come to a school.
For me paying a player to come to your school is pay to play. Paying them due to what they've done on your team is NIL working as intended.
Some teams do very little of the first and are mostly doing the latter. Some do a lot of paying high school recruits to come to their school as a recruiting tool rather than something you get based on performance after you get to a school.
I view the term "pay to play" as paying a player to come to your school.
NOT a player getting NIL based on their performance in the past.
A player getting NIL without doing anything in college for me is different than a player getting a NIL deal due to college performance or even winning a starting job.
The latter is more what NIL was intended to be. The starting QB (even if they haven't taken a snap yet) has value in endorsing products. NIL was supposed to funnel a player like that money. It wasn't meant to give money to recruits to come to a school.
For me paying a player to come to your school is pay to play. Paying them due to what they've done on your team is NIL working as intended.
Some teams do very little of the first and are mostly doing the latter. Some do a lot of paying high school recruits to come to their school as a recruiting tool rather than something you get based on performance after you get to a school.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:12 am to HottyToddy7
Have you heard about the "Talent Fee" at Tennessee yet? 
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:13 am to DawginSC
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Some do a lot of paying high school recruits to come to their school as a recruiting tool rather than something you get based on performance after you get to a school.
High school kids have been getting paid for decades. No way your are this naive right? You think UGA gets kids because of the "program" when everyone else is paying?
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:29 am to i am dan
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Have you heard about the "Talent Fee" at Tennessee yet?
Talent Fee isn't an NIL program, it's going to be a part of the revenue sharing. Totally separate deal.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:39 am to HottyToddy7
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High school kids have been getting paid for decades. No way your are this naive right? You think UGA gets kids because of the "program" when everyone else is paying?
Nobody thinks this imo, but people do think successful programs like UGA, Bama, Ohio State etc. have an easier time selling "program" than somewhere Vandy or Uconn. People also think that teams have their own personal approach to NIL - valued positions, going for high school vs. proven transfers etc.
It's nothing new though really, look at the MLB, some teams value college draft picks & some value high schoolers. Some teams have a kickass pitching staff & others just churn out hitters. But even tye MLB has more guardrails than CFB right now
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:51 am to ukraine_rebel
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Talent Fee isn't an NIL program, it's going to be a part of the revenue sharing. Totally separate deal.
It's all money in player's pockets and I doubt if the players care that much whatever you call it. There have been several attempts at creating a nonprofit collective with fans contributing to NIL but IRS threats have scared off many of those. Most fans have no idea how money is getting filtered to the guys these days. That's the fun of collectives these days for the fans, very little accountability.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:08 am to HottyToddy7
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High school kids have been getting paid for decades. No way your are this naive right? You think UGA gets kids because of the "program" when everyone else is paying?
UGA has a collective that effectively gives every player (including walk-ons) NIL deals that basically cover an amount equal to tuition, room and board, books and a small stipend. Every player gets that so effectively our walk-ons are on a NIL scholarship and our scholarship players all get a nice baseline chunk from NIL.
From all stories I've read, money above and beyond that doesn't get promised to recruits. Instead UGA simply shows them was starters and backups at their positions got in the prior year. There aren't stories about UGA offering prospects huge NIL deals like there are with other schools.
Now UGA is at the upper end of deals for proven players. They definitely pay to retain their talent. They also occasionally offer big deals to get needed guys in the portal who have proven themselves at other schools. But from all reports, that's not how they go about HS recruiting.
UGA's starters get paid a lot. Their recruits don't.
Will UGA change that going forward? Perhaps. Their system was designed based on the NCAA rules for NIL before Tennessee sued to end them. They might be moving to pay guys to come in as recruits now. But they weren't doing it before to any large degree.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 10:09 am
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