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re: Clemson joins FSU in ACC Lawsuit

Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:34 am to
Posted by JCdawg
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:34 am to
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People say that, but I don't think it's relevant anymore. The networks/streaming services are national. I'm in Louisiana and an LSU fan,... I watch Clemson because they're known. I watch Ohio State and Oklahoma because they're generally quite good. I haven't watched a Virginia team since Michael Vick was at Tech, and haven't paid attention to any NC team since the early 80's (with LT and Kelvin Bryant). You add them to the SEC, and all you get are teams you expect a W against when you play. I do think it's important to stay regional, for travel and fanbase rivalries. To that end, I think the SEC would like to keep Fla State and Clemson, as they fit the profile (good programs in the Southeast), and it locks the Big 10 out of our geographic base. Southeastern football is the best, and has the best talent base.


Whether you’re getting espn via cable or internet (still cable) makes no difference. It’s been national broadcasts for 3 decades. It’s still about what moves the needle. Clemson and FSU don’t move the needle enough for the SEC, otherwise they would have already been invited. The only teams that would move the needle are Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and maybe Penn State. Those teams are the core of the big 10, so obviously will never happen. NC and Virginia at least provide new viewers, but the ACC is already owned by espn, so there is no reason to go there either. Clemson and fsu are also not AAU members, which to this point has been a requirement for Big 10 membership. My guess is a further expanded Big 12 that renegotiates its tv deals.
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:44 am to
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Whether you’re getting espn via cable or internet (still cable) makes no difference. It’s been national broadcasts for 3 decades. It’s still about what moves the needle. Clemson and FSU don’t move the needle enough for the SEC, otherwise they would have already been invited. The only teams that would move the needle are Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and maybe Penn State. Those teams are the core of the big 10, so obviously will never happen. NC and Virginia at least provide new viewers, but the ACC is already owned by espn, so there is no reason to go there either. Clemson and fsu are also not AAU members, which to this point has been a requirement for Big 10 membership. My guess is a further expanded Big 12 that renegotiates its tv deals.


Grant of Rights is what is now put in question with Clemson and FSU. ESPN can actually get out of the TV deal in 2027. But they have to submit the exercise of TV rights by 2025 or the deal goes to 2036.

As far as Clemson and FSU are concerned, you never know until you sue, so we shall see. If they get out of their ACC Grant of Rights look for the SEC to come a callin' with open arms.
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:17 pm to
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Whether you’re getting espn via cable or internet (still cable) makes no difference. It’s been national broadcasts for 3 decades. It’s still about what moves the needle. Clemson and FSU don’t move the needle enough for the SEC, otherwise they would have already been invited. The only teams that would move the needle are Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and maybe Penn State. Those teams are the core of the big 10, so obviously will never happen. NC and Virginia at least provide new viewers, but the ACC is already owned by espn, so there is no reason to go there either. Clemson and fsu are also not AAU members, which to this point has been a requirement for Big 10 membership. My guess is a further expanded Big 12 that renegotiates its tv deals.
I think what someone else mentioned, here or elsewhere, is inevitable:
you will see the development of super-conferences, and then some sub-division of them down the road for regional purposes.

The SEC will grow to 20-24 conferences, and then split into 10-12 sub-conferences... maybe 3 groups if you get to 24 or more.
Big 10 will do the same.

I honestly think LSU is one of the holdouts for doing this early, because we (LSU) will want to stay "core/original" SEC, and as things are now, we fit better geographically with the newer Western teams- Ark, the Texas schools, OU etc. It will become more acceptable if we keep with the Miss schools too, and the East gets divided too. You stick Auburn and Bama in the Central, and Fla and UGA go to the East with new member Clemson and Fla State. That way, everyone gets their history/tradition messed with equally , and it's more palatable.
Fla State and Clemson (and to a lesser extent Ga Tech and Miami) are the keys to doing this in a fair manner.

The Big 10 is in a bit worse shape, as they have outliers all over the place without easy fits. Sure, you have the original core, you have the 4 Pac schools, and I suppose Penn State can anchor an East (with Rutgers and Maryland). But it's still not balanced enough; Nebraska just doesn't fit in the West with the Pac schools. Nobody else fits in the East.
I could see the Big 10 raiding the ACC for the Northern, former Big East schools such as Syracuse, Pitt and Boston College, to fill in the East. That would make Penn State pleased as punch.

I can see them WANTING to hit the Southern/core ACC, to get a true Southern group. But I can see the SEC blocking them. Nobody cares if they get a ho-hum UNC, but the SEC doesn't want the Big setting up a Clemson/Fla State 'Deep South' alternative, that's SEC territory.

The SEC and Big 10 are basically playing Risk with each other. It's not just who YOU want, it's also who you don't want THEM to get. If the ACC and Big 12 and survive, great. But if they can't, there are programs in both that you don't want going "over there".
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