re: Herbstreit still going at it with FSU fans

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You absolutely have to dissect that game to discern the difference between an FSU team with Jordan Travis vs. without Jordan Travis. You have to dissect the last two games FSU played... and they were ugly. If you can't see the difference, then your bias is blinding you.

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they were ugly, nobody can deny that. I'm not denying it. I've mentiond this before, but my whoel point on that specific argument is...where do we draw the line on "how important" a player is? Take Brock Bowers for instance. Top 10 draft pick. Best TE in america. In fact one could argue he's the greatest colelge TE of all time. He misseda few games in the middle of the season so what if we ended up losing one fo them? Woudl that loss essnetially be wiped away from our record as if it didn't count? Something tels me that answer would be NO. So if we dece Brock Boweres isn't important enough to alter our season based on waht's happened without him, but we HAVE determined that jordan travis is important enough...where is the line drawn? Who exactly is the arbiter of more important and less important? I personally do not think decsisions liek taht shoudl be left to people on a committee to decide. That's why I LOVED the committee for 9 years, because even though internet people btiched and complaind they did everythign objectively based solely on resume. Not eye test, not vegas odds, none of that....jsut who's resume was best. That's why it's so hard for people to come to grips with this go around because they did a complete about face.