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Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by theCAW
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:07 pm to
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This team doesn’t suck. Stop whining.

Thecaw posted that comment when it looked like we were gonna blow the game to Michigan. Live during game time it was a post of emotion and frustration. in the heat of the
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I actually think golden is a really smart guy with high basketball iq and will be a good coach someday. He’s clearly just young and gets out foxed down the stretch by coaches like Tony Bennett, Scott drew, calipari ect.
They’ve at least stopped losing to bad teams even when they play like shite “east Carolina” and they are at least competitive with the big boys

I think that everyone’s frustration is really from the years of muschamp mac mike white this Napier guy and uaa incompetence and also doubling down on just being loathsome.

Golden is a bit green this job was given to him a bit early. Outside the 2000 team Donovan lost a lot of frustrating games exactly like this early on ppl just forget. That said we no longer have to settle for hitting on up and coming coaches yet that’s all they do and that’s why ppl are frustrated.

Most hae been huge busts but golden actually likely isn’t it’s just it’ll be another 5:6 years or so till he finally starts to figure out ebs and game flows the need for a real full press defense ect… In fairness to him he is much more competent than all the mike white Napier muschamps we hire it’s just we shouldn’t have to settle for this . We should be hiring Rick Pitinos
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 2:13 pm
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 11:04 am to
Went to game had a lot of fun with a foreign babe and her first college basketball game. Sat around some Kentucky fans was fun to banter back and forth with them telling them how we no longer are trying to win championships in football or bball rather focus on stadium renovations and luxury boxes for bullgators from old money and need that feeling of being special.

Frustrating loss cause it reminded me of various mike white blowing leads we had all game however closer look shows the two are a bit different. White inherited a Ferrari and a foster built by Billy for all the buster of “he always made tourny and won a game” Disney gators he took loaded rosters to 10 seeds and was slowly starting to wein off that. Golden inherited a program far removed from being a powerhouse. That said at this point the fan base has had a decade of hiring random up and coming coaches in sports and then all flaming out horribly. I think because of this golden is being given a little shorter of a leash.

He wins all the games he should win even when they don’t show up like vs east Carolina. He doesn’t lose to Texas southern or take a bowl bound team fresh off a big road win seemingly turning a corner and go lose a football game at Vanderbilt . To thecaw that’s a major red flag. Golden offenses are competent actually move the ball around they score points. He addressed the lack of side issues underneath to eliminate our being outrebounded every damn game… he is playing close games with the country’s elite coaches such as Tony Bennett Scott drew calipari ect ect however he’s falling short.

When Donovan and urban took over the sec was nothing like this at all. Nowadays even bottom dwellers like ole miss can hire established quality coaches even if they come with perosnal baggage. Outside of Kentucky which begrudgingly admittedly special like bama football the best coaches in this league are musselman, Rick Barnes Nate oaks Bruce pearl I mean good coaches with long track records of coaching under their belts. None of these guys even pearl will likely ever even win an ncaa title yet they still are each top 25 coaches in the game.

When u think about that it puts into perspective how tough this league now is for young geeenhorn coaches. Outside the 2000 team even Donovan struggled early on winning close games against gold teams. Ppl forget all the games that went exactly like yesterday and the first round ncaa exits but same issues … he had really good offenses but bad defense wouldn’t use timeouts correctly didn’t work the reds hard enough ect. I think golden is smart and will be a good coach one day but when that’ll be is anyone’s guess.

First glaring issue and this was my biggest issue with mike white as well is the lack of relentless full court press defense, Billy’s teams tormented opponents they made good teams have to run all over they stole inbounds passes and got cheap layups forced the best guards to have to exert a lot of energy. Kentucky was super fast but they are freshman and don’t have a deep bench

Simply letting them gently stroll up to mid court to then organize and pentetrate the paint with 2 future nba guards simply was not working. Needed to harass them the entire way up the court. Those Billy presses required a lot of meticulous technique and lots off off season conditioning it’s demanding which is why these young coaches aren’t interested in it but at a program like Florida it was paramount to all those elite 8 runs with lots of 4 stars opposed to nba future nba stars. Same with the free throw shooting issues … that’s just time and practice like hitting range balls every day in golf it’s something u have to do all summer long they clearly didn’t put in much time in much like our continuous strength and conditioning issues in football …..

However with everyone jumping on goldens arse thecaw will defend him in that he’s clearly a smart guy who wants to win. He gets offense and is able to fix lingering isssues such as lack of size in front court. If he had been hired before mike white and we hadn’t had 13 years of suffering from footballs up and comer coaching hires I think we’d all be much higher on golden. He will be a pretty good coach one day I think that’s pretty certain however when he figures out all the intricate ebs and flows of games all the little finer pints that add up is TBD and he’s having to learn in a league where even the bottom feeders have good established coaches.

When u get a first half shooting 3s like that it’s a obvious a coach like cal was going to make halftime adjustments and stop all those open deep 3 shots. The smart thing to do would be come out right away and hammer it inside tru to get cats in foul trouble . Now they eventually did do that around the 14 minute mark but by then the 11 point lead was down to 1. Golden he did finally make that adjustment where as mike white would do what he did in the usc jr elite 8 game by taking a s unilateral 8 point halftime lead and continuing to just shoot 3 after 3 after 3 till they somehow lost by like 15 after losing the lead in matter of minutes ….

Point is golden is going to continue this trend for some time. Flashes of promise but frustration blended in. Unlike Napier white msuchamp he appears to actually be competent it’s just a matter of when he figures out he’s got to go all in on ruthless relentless full court defense in addition to all his analytical tinkering with the much more funer offense. If it were up to me I’d had hired Rick pitino and lane kiffin and told the uaa and bullgators who have issues with their personal lives to go frick themselves but it’s not up to me. I tend to value winning and attention to detail over the stuff they value…. That said golden is not only much better than mike white but miles ahead of Napier. That said we ain’t goin to the final 4 anytime soon
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 11:09 am
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 11:39 am to
Holy TLDR Batman
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:09 pm to


Too much info very true…. Like bill Ackman is in finance Rick pitino and other pricky big dick coaches are in the games, u need to be a high functioning person slightly on the spectrum to be really good at it. The too much infor and such is why our special teams sucks so much it’s why Donovan’s full press defenses were so effective….
Posted by SpartyGator
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:57 pm to
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Went to game had a lot of fun with a foreign babe and her first college basketball game


Pics?
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6655 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:22 pm to
Might be too late for this year's team to improve on them, but Golden needs to make them practice free throws.

Next off-season this needs to be a priority.

I think we would've beaten KY if we did a better job hitting FTs.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6655 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:27 pm to
I think Golden has a lot of work to do to become a very good coach but he shows a good deal of promise and is someone I can get behind.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
145277 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:10 pm to
FFS

I have never witnessed a bigger bitch than you before.
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 3:12 pm to
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roadGator
pretty clear where that road leads

Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:30 pm to
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This team doesn’t suck.
If I had to get money I’d say they are NIT bound the ceiling is a 9 seed at best.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
15308 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:47 pm to
This is frustrating to watch. We need a new AD capable of making competent hires like yesterday.
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:53 pm to
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This is frustrating to watch. We need a new AD capable of making competent hires like yesterday.
ppl complaining the caw is negative when our football team sucks and basketball team is mid.
I think Golden might have potential to be good someday but can’t hang with elite coaches like calpari beard and Scott drew but all these failed g5 hires over the last 15 years has made it hard for the fans to be patient with him and because the uaa has driven the football and basketball teams into the ground
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:07 pm to
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:21 pm to
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:34 pm to
First time since 2008 that Florida surrendered over 100 points in a game that didn't require overtime
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 2:47 pm to
2024 class has two 3-star recruits
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:43 pm to
It's a blowout
Posted by GaryGator
The Swamp
Member since Jun 2017
6522 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:45 pm to
This team has no offensive scheme. No picks are set, no off the ball movement. And they play defense like a bunch of pussies.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 4:46 pm
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
3430 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:52 pm to
Not a tournament team
Posted by GaryGator
The Swamp
Member since Jun 2017
6522 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:53 pm to
I've seen enough of Todd Golden. Another mid major failure.
Our two major revenue sports have a ton of similarities. Lack of effort on defense. Players who look and play, as if they don't give a shite. And poor coaching.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 5:00 pm
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