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re: 5* EDGE Colin Simmons announces Thursday 8/10 @ 2pm CST

Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by Matts El Rancho
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:54 pm to
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PP7 for heisman
Wow at the salt here
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LSU has proven to be a program that can win national championships and get guys to the NFL over the last 15 years.

Texas unequivocally has not
I know, right? I can't believe they had a talent like Bijan Robinson go undrafted.
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Texas has had 15 players drafted over the last 5 years. LSU has had 40, and that includes the worst 2 LSU teams of the last 25 years.
Yea, because every single season in the last 25 years for Texas has been their 25 best seasons ever...

Also, you say this as if Kelly and Sarkisian have been at their respective schools for the past 15 years. They haven't. So saying things like "Texas sucked under Charlie Strong, so you shouldn't commit there" or "LSU lost 7 games only 2 years ago, so they're a dumpster" is just silly. Past results are not a crystal ball to what's going to happen in the future, and blaming current coaches for their respective program's prior issues before their tenure there doesn't make a great deal of sense.
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Other programs (Texas, A&m, USC, Miami) have nothing to present to a potential recruit besides money. They don't win championships. They don't succeed on the field. They don't put guys in the league. They're just different programs that can provide different benefits to a player. It's not a crazy assumption.
Except Texas has won a championship in this kid's lifetime, and that's obviously the goal moving forward.

Most of Alabama's roster in 2009 was in diapers when the tide had last won in 1992. Every kid on Georgia's 2021 roster was born at least 15-20 years after the bulldogs' then-most recent championship. In 2018, Georgia signed 7 five stars that would be key to turning their program around despite the fact that the bulldogs had lost to Vanderbilt at home a matter of months before signing day.

When those kids committed, were they committing to schools that had "nothing to present to a potential recruit"?

To say other programs only have money to offer is sour grapes, and not a great look tbh. Every school that is serious about competing and recruiting is going to win some big battles and lose some too. TBH who even knows if this commitment will last until signing day. It's part of the game.

Seriously - I thought there wasn't supposed to be trolling on the recruiting board...
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:58 pm to
He isn’t trolling by pointing out Texas hasn’t won anything of note since 2005 and has a limit number of draft picks over a certain time frame.

Facts are facts. That isn’t an indicator of future performance, but it is true Texas has been pretty disappointing over the past decade
Posted by bayou85
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:01 pm to
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I know, right? I can't believe they had a talent like Bijan Robinson go undrafted.


One player? ok.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5458 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:16 pm to
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I know, right? I can't believe they had a talent like Bijan Robinson go undrafted.

That's one first rounder in the last 8 drafts.
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Yea, because every single season in the last 25 years for Texas has been their 25 best seasons ever...

Also, you say this as if Kelly and Sarkisian have been at their respective schools for the past 15 years. They haven't. So saying things like "Texas sucked under Charlie Strong, so you shouldn't commit there" or "LSU lost 7 games only 2 years ago, so they're a dumpster" is just silly. Past results are not a crystal ball to what's going to happen in the future, and blaming current coaches for their respective program's prior issues before their tenure there doesn't make a great deal of sense.
LSU has established themselves, regardless of the coaching staff, as national title contenders for the last 25 years, save 2 years. Texas on the other hand hasn't been consistently good since 2009.

I'm aware that past results are not the end all be all, but you can't discount them completely. One program has shown that outside of COVID and the following year, they haven't had bad seasons. The same cannot be said for Texas.
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Except Texas has won a championship in this kid's lifetime, and that's obviously the goal moving forward.

Most of Alabama's roster in 2009 was in diapers when the tide had last won in 1992. Every kid on Georgia's 2021 roster was born at least 15-20 years after the bulldogs' then-most recent championship. In 2018, Georgia signed 7 five stars that would be key to turning their program around despite the fact that the bulldogs had lost to Vanderbilt at home a matter of months before signing day.

When those kids committed, were they committing to schools that had "nothing to present to a potential recruit"?
There's a massive difference between where Alabama was a program in 2009 than where Texas is as a program in 2023. Alabama had a national championship winning coach who had just won 12 games the season prior.

The same can be said for Georgia. Georgia was a perrenial contender but just could not get over the hump. Georgia spends more on recruiting than anyone in college football. They were averaging over 10 wins per season under Richt. They then went out and hired a guy who was the defensive coordinator for 4 national titles under Saban. Kirby was also dropping eggreigous bags let's not misunderstand that.
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To say other programs only have money to offer is sour grapes, and not a great look tbh. Every school that is serious about competing and recruiting is going to win some big battles and lose some too. TBH who even knows if this commitment will last until signing day. It's part of the game.

It's not "other schools". It's very specific programs. When LSU loses a player to Alabama or Georgia, I'm not going to complain about the kid getting a bag. It may be true, but that kid wanted to go play for Nick Saban or Kirby Smart.

When a kid commits and the first comments out of his mouth are "i want to provide for my family and Texas gave me the best opportunty to do that" we all know what he's saying.

LSU is also paying kids, but it's rare that that's the only reason a kid will go to LSU (or Georgia, Alabama, OSU, etc).
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Seriously - I thought there wasn't supposed to be trolling on the recruiting board...

This isn't trolling. This is presenting an argument using relevant history and facts.

If I was trolling I would make some weird dildo joke or talk about how your head coach is an alcoholic, hitched his wagon to a 5 star name to be the future of his program (even though he never made it out of the second round of the 2A playoffs in Louisiana, despite starting for 4 years and having multiple SEC players on his team each year), has never won 10 games in his 9 seasons as a head coach, and will likely be out of a job in 2 years, so I can just wait on Colin to enter the portal prior to 2025, but I'm going to be the bigger man and not say any of that.
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