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re: Brian Kelly reminds me a lot of Mark Richt
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:09 am to tenacious
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:09 am to tenacious
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Almost identical. Kirby recruited elite talent, secured robust depth, and developed a championship culture.
This is the key point, and it was in evidence during those years. I'm not going to go back and get the numbers again, but when you compare Kirby's classes to Richt's, you can see the difference in talent acquisition.
The thing with LSU is Orgeron actually recruited well at LSU.
2017 - 91.05 avg ranking
2018 - 90.11
2019 - 90.95
2020 - 93.26
2021 - 92.89
2022 - 91.62
2023 - 91.83
There hasn't been a real change in LSU recruiting. It's a little better than O's first 3 years and worse than his last 2.
Kelly isn't increasing LSU talent. He's a more consistent and better coach than Orgeron, but he's probably not quite as good a recruiter.
The other point you miss is that Richt was elite his first 5 years at UGA. He fell back from that rather than stepping up from that. A big reason for that is the difference in recruiting. Jim Donnan was a BETTER recruiter than Richt was. UGA's talent fell back to Richt's median level after the initial bump with the better recruits with Richt's coaching. Kirby's jumped ahead with his recruits.
While the wins and losses trail recruiting, if you look at the recruiting numbers you can often see what is coming.
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:55 am to DawginSC
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The thing with LSU is Orgeron actually recruited well at LSU.
2017 - 91.05 avg ranking
2018 - 90.11
2019 - 90.95
2020 - 93.26
2021 - 92.89
2022 - 91.62
2023 - 91.83
There hasn't been a real change in LSU recruiting. It's a little better than O's first 3 years and worse than his last 2.
Kelly isn't increasing LSU talent. He's a more consistent and better coach than Orgeron, but he's probably not quite as good a recruiter.
The thing with LSU is that Orgeron didn't actually recruit that well.
The 2018 class lost 10 before they made it to the 2019 team.
The top player from 2020 never made it to spring 2021. The 2nd ranked player from 2020 never met Kelly. 10 more players from that class did not make it to spring 2022.
2021 was better, but still, 4 of those players transferred out almost immediately.
ETA: If you want to make the argument that Orgeron is a better recruiter than Kelly.......maybe you're right. I think Kelly's place on this staff is more as a closer. But as a whole, this staff is better at scouting and recruiting, and that starts with Frank Wilson, who is probably the best recruiter in LSU history.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 10:00 am
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