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re: Can we talk about the 1H fumble situation in LSU-Bama?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 11:40 am to ukraine_rebel
Posted on 11/8/22 at 11:40 am to ukraine_rebel
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The rule itself is simple, if someone who is out of bounds touches the ball the play is dead.
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Watching the replay frame by frame it looks like 81’s hand first makes contact w ball simultaneously with 3’s knee touching ground, so this is the REC going w the old tie goes to the offense philosophy.
I haven't seen it since the game, but IIRC, the LSU player never maintained possession, so it was still Alabama's ball when the play was ruled dead.
Similar to completing a catch, you have to "complete a change of possession." (You can't just fumble around with a loose ball and say it was yours because a knee was down — you have to maintain it.)
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Posted on 11/8/22 at 11:46 am to paperwasp
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I haven't seen it since the game, but IIRC, the LSU player never maintained possession, so it was still Alabama's ball when the play was ruled dead
If the initial call on the field was a fumble recovery for LSU doesn’t LSU, by definition, have possession? Was there really indisputable evidence to overturn that initial call? Don’t think so.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 12:51 pm to paperwasp
The problem we have is the SEC has set precedent of what "possession" looks like, and it was NOT followed in this case.
Go back and look at the interpretation of Kellen Monde being "down" in the LSU/Texas A&M 7 (?) ot game a few years ago.
In that game, all it took to have possession of a loose ball on the ground is one hand grasping the ball.
That precedent was NOT applied in this game, If that's the case, and the league is going to look frame by frame on the replay the standards need to be applied consistently.
I don't have the pics, but since Monde was ruled down, the rule should have been that LSU did have possession (there wasn't irrefutable evidence in frame-by-frame video, if you sped up the video it appeared the player didn't have possession, but it's been established that frame by frame review is the standard) and a player who was out of bounds knocked it from his possession...which by definition is Illegal touching.
This is like a team having a player offsides on an onside kick...they should NOT be allowed to kick again, it should be an automatic turnover to the other team.
No team should benefit from what is or otherwise would be a penalty.
Go back and look at the interpretation of Kellen Monde being "down" in the LSU/Texas A&M 7 (?) ot game a few years ago.
In that game, all it took to have possession of a loose ball on the ground is one hand grasping the ball.
That precedent was NOT applied in this game, If that's the case, and the league is going to look frame by frame on the replay the standards need to be applied consistently.
I don't have the pics, but since Monde was ruled down, the rule should have been that LSU did have possession (there wasn't irrefutable evidence in frame-by-frame video, if you sped up the video it appeared the player didn't have possession, but it's been established that frame by frame review is the standard) and a player who was out of bounds knocked it from his possession...which by definition is Illegal touching.
This is like a team having a player offsides on an onside kick...they should NOT be allowed to kick again, it should be an automatic turnover to the other team.
No team should benefit from what is or otherwise would be a penalty.
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