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Stolen from the 247 Board: ULL on Napier
Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/30/22 at 4:12 pm
So based on lots of info from ULL podcast guy and consuming articles this year, I believe several things to be true about this year and where we are going. Some have stated these in different threads but I find it helpful to put altogether, maybe you will too. Curious as to how many agree/disagree and if you think it will work:
1). Billy “could” tweak the offense to help AR some but doesn’t want to.
I think he’s a process guy to a default and he is quietly fine giving up a couple wins this year to thoroughly establish “his” system. Which leads me to
2). AR is going pro. Regardless of his numbers, etc I think AR will get a 1st round or 2nd round grade at worst. I think both Billy and AR know that he won’t be around next year which is why he isn’t really building the team around him.
3). DC “could” make tweaks to have us playing better but won’t. See #1 above. The plan is to implement the base defense and also, like AR, they know many of these players will be gone before next spring.
Now I don’t necessarily agree with this, but I distinctly and clearly remember the ULL guy saying we would be frustrated the first year. But that the second year and beyond we would understand and reap the rewards.
For what it’s worth
Year 1 at ULL: 7-7. Year 2: 11-3.
Can this be replicated here? Will it work? I don’t know. But for better or worse we know this guy has a program building vision, and he’s executed it once with great success.
Anyway it would help us all feel better if we finish 8-4 or 7-5 versus 6-6 or 5-7. But in the big picture what matters is recruiting and Year 2. I say this for myself too as it’s easy to get caught up in the frustration of losing a lot and seeing like Tenn going off.
But let’s see us in year 2 versus a Tenn team that replaces everyone and UK with no NFL QB. I think 9-3 is a reasonable expectation and would help many of us feel we are on the right track. If we are like 7-5 or worse year 2 then I think the seat gets warm unless 24 class is legit top 5.
Thoughts?
1). Billy “could” tweak the offense to help AR some but doesn’t want to.
I think he’s a process guy to a default and he is quietly fine giving up a couple wins this year to thoroughly establish “his” system. Which leads me to
2). AR is going pro. Regardless of his numbers, etc I think AR will get a 1st round or 2nd round grade at worst. I think both Billy and AR know that he won’t be around next year which is why he isn’t really building the team around him.
3). DC “could” make tweaks to have us playing better but won’t. See #1 above. The plan is to implement the base defense and also, like AR, they know many of these players will be gone before next spring.
Now I don’t necessarily agree with this, but I distinctly and clearly remember the ULL guy saying we would be frustrated the first year. But that the second year and beyond we would understand and reap the rewards.
For what it’s worth
Year 1 at ULL: 7-7. Year 2: 11-3.
Can this be replicated here? Will it work? I don’t know. But for better or worse we know this guy has a program building vision, and he’s executed it once with great success.
Anyway it would help us all feel better if we finish 8-4 or 7-5 versus 6-6 or 5-7. But in the big picture what matters is recruiting and Year 2. I say this for myself too as it’s easy to get caught up in the frustration of losing a lot and seeing like Tenn going off.
But let’s see us in year 2 versus a Tenn team that replaces everyone and UK with no NFL QB. I think 9-3 is a reasonable expectation and would help many of us feel we are on the right track. If we are like 7-5 or worse year 2 then I think the seat gets warm unless 24 class is legit top 5.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 10/30/22 at 5:12 pm to finchmeister08
Not tweaking things to win a few extra games seems detrimental but that’s just my opinion. If that’s his plan then he damn well better win more next year.
Who will be the qb in 23 then?
Who will be the qb in 23 then?
Posted on 10/30/22 at 5:33 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Problem with that is that if the defense isn't good with all the players that will be leaving
How in the Frick will it be better next year with the same guy on defense with out Cox and Miller. Not that Cox has played greT this year he has not. But basically it will be the same core of players. I think the front 7 could be as bad as ever next year. Hopefully the secondary would be better. But all the young linebackers that will be playing next year not sure unless Wingo and Black and James get much stronger and really improve next year. This team really needs to get to 6 wins they need the extra bowl practice time.
They could go 3 - 1 or 1 - 3 the next 4 they are all winnable but the way this defense plays they are all lose able as well.
How in the Frick will it be better next year with the same guy on defense with out Cox and Miller. Not that Cox has played greT this year he has not. But basically it will be the same core of players. I think the front 7 could be as bad as ever next year. Hopefully the secondary would be better. But all the young linebackers that will be playing next year not sure unless Wingo and Black and James get much stronger and really improve next year. This team really needs to get to 6 wins they need the extra bowl practice time.
They could go 3 - 1 or 1 - 3 the next 4 they are all winnable but the way this defense plays they are all lose able as well.
This post was edited on 10/30/22 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 10/30/22 at 8:15 pm to AlbinoGator
I could see that for the defense but why not the offense? Isn’t the philosophy you’re supposed to build around your athletes strengths?
Posted on 10/30/22 at 9:20 pm to finchmeister08
At 6-6 or worse this fanbase will eat him alive. And it’s not like he has ab east schedule next year so 11 wins is unlikely and if he isn’t at double digit wins he’s already on the hot seat if he tanks year 1.
I mean, who on this roster next year that isn’t a true freshman is going to be any good? Shemar James is athletic but plays like a chicken with his head cutoff. The whole secondary is struggling to do anything right. The DL has no special players beyond Cox. The offense is basically the same players with kitna or miller as qb? Probably a worse ol cause a few could go pro.
Like that team won’t be projected higher than 3rd or 4th in the east. The coaches would have to be miracle workers.
I mean, who on this roster next year that isn’t a true freshman is going to be any good? Shemar James is athletic but plays like a chicken with his head cutoff. The whole secondary is struggling to do anything right. The DL has no special players beyond Cox. The offense is basically the same players with kitna or miller as qb? Probably a worse ol cause a few could go pro.
Like that team won’t be projected higher than 3rd or 4th in the east. The coaches would have to be miracle workers.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 7:37 am to finchmeister08
I 100% like a guy that has a vision and "a process" and has the balls to stick to it. For better or worse, Napier is our guy for the next few years so I'm telling myself he will make it work.
I've seen some great things this year from the coaches, but also been pretty frustrated with some things they've done. All in all, I still have optimism that this staff will get it done.
I've seen some great things this year from the coaches, but also been pretty frustrated with some things they've done. All in all, I still have optimism that this staff will get it done.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 8:39 am to finchmeister08
Mullen has been baking this cake with his pisspoor recruiting over the years. Don’t get mad at Billy because he’s the one pulling it from the oven.
Look at our overall composite team grade on 24/7. We are less than a point from having a 3 star roster. Most bringing down the avg are on defense.
We can’t bitch about recruits leaving the state, not landing too guys then try n hang the new staff for the shitshow they inherited.
“I need to coach better” translation: I’m getting all I can from these players. He’s working with:
A QB who’s inaccurate. An OL with 2 3 star players. No real threat at WR. We have a former DL playing TE.
It’s worse on Defense.
Look at our overall composite team grade on 24/7. We are less than a point from having a 3 star roster. Most bringing down the avg are on defense.
We can’t bitch about recruits leaving the state, not landing too guys then try n hang the new staff for the shitshow they inherited.
“I need to coach better” translation: I’m getting all I can from these players. He’s working with:
A QB who’s inaccurate. An OL with 2 3 star players. No real threat at WR. We have a former DL playing TE.
It’s worse on Defense.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 1:26 pm to finchmeister08
AR going 1st or 2nd round would be the biggest joke in history even among the crazy joke QB picks NFL teams have made in the past based on his play so far. The only rationale for something that crazy would be a backup plan to make him a TE. The NFL doesn't give you an opportunity to learn the very basics of actually seeing the field on the job.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 1:37 pm to dbuchanon
Actually we stand out as having pretty good recruits based on stars at least. Maybe not the crazy Bama, Georgia level etc. but up there with most of the others even including A&M if you don't take into account their crazy class this season with the true freshman. I do agree with people that Mullen missed on a bunch of his 4 stars however. The NFL draft results dropoff in 2022 and coming in 2023 points to that also.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 1:58 pm to Gator Fever
Miller is our best defender, he’s a Mac guy.
Mullen did very little in bringing in playmakers who stand out during games.
Our best weapons on offense are our backfield, Billy brought both those guys in.
One of the worst secondaries I’ve ever seen, especially at Safety. Dexter can’t do it all on the DL, teams dbl him and it’s over. No one else can win their matchup consistently
Gonna take time, all this fire so n so bs needs to stop
Mullen did very little in bringing in playmakers who stand out during games.
Our best weapons on offense are our backfield, Billy brought both those guys in.
One of the worst secondaries I’ve ever seen, especially at Safety. Dexter can’t do it all on the DL, teams dbl him and it’s over. No one else can win their matchup consistently
Gonna take time, all this fire so n so bs needs to stop
Posted on 10/31/22 at 1:59 pm to dbuchanon
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all this fire so n so bs needs to stop
"BUT THERE'S NO PROGRESSION!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!" - UFMatt... (probably
)Posted on 10/31/22 at 2:01 pm to finchmeister08
Can’t shine shite lol
Posted on 10/31/22 at 2:20 pm to dbuchanon
Trying to think who were the Mullen high school blue chippers that ended up excelling at UF.
Pitts, Pierce (who he refused to use much like he should have), Elam and Dexter are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Pitts, Pierce (who he refused to use much like he should have), Elam and Dexter are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 2:25 pm to Gator Fever
Can be argued that Pitts was a Mac/Seider guy that Mullen somehow managed to not mess up the recruitment.
Speaking of Seider, why did he leave Mullen's staff?
Speaking of Seider, why did he leave Mullen's staff?
Posted on 10/31/22 at 2:35 pm to Gator Fever
That’s sad, we can only name 4 legit guys from a Coach’s tenure here.
Meanwhile guys Billy brought us in half a cycle are already starting.
Meanwhile guys Billy brought us in half a cycle are already starting.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 2:36 pm to dbuchanon
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That’s sad, we can only name 4 legit guys from a Coach’s tenure here.
Meanwhile guys Billy brought us in half a cycle are already starting.
One of our better defenders (he's decent, not great) is V. Miller. And I think he's a Mac guy if I'm not mistaken.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 2:43 pm to Partha
Yep even though Mac sucked at coaching he seemed to get quite a few NFL talent guys for his class rankings.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:35 am to finchmeister08
I think we are the rest of this year and next year away from being any good. Maybe in 2024 this team will show some promise.
I think Napier will clean house, as he should. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Napiers year 1 may be one of the worst in program history. But building a 10+ win program at ULL and doing it at Florida are two totally different things.
For all the things the talking heads say about BN being a relentless recruiter, I say this: Show me. Don’t tell me, show me.
Reality is that he needs this year and next year to get enough talent to move the needle. But then they’ve got to have some experience and be coached up too. If we don’t win 10 games in year 3, then he’s gone.
Mullen really left us in a hell hole.
I think Napier will clean house, as he should. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Napiers year 1 may be one of the worst in program history. But building a 10+ win program at ULL and doing it at Florida are two totally different things.
For all the things the talking heads say about BN being a relentless recruiter, I say this: Show me. Don’t tell me, show me.
Reality is that he needs this year and next year to get enough talent to move the needle. But then they’ve got to have some experience and be coached up too. If we don’t win 10 games in year 3, then he’s gone.
Mullen really left us in a hell hole.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 10:26 am to NWA_Gator
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Mullen really left us in a hell hole.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 12:36 pm to dbuchanon
Mullen really sucked.
In a way, Franks breaking his leg and Trask coming in had some bad along with the good.
The good (actually great) was seeing Trask come off the bench and play some of the best QB we've seen in a long time in the Swamp. What a treat that was, especially with his underdog story.
The bad, however, was it masked Mullen's deficiencies and kept him around a year or so too late.
If Franks wouldn't have gotten hurt in KY, stubborn Mullen would've probably left him in and lost that game (starting off 0-2 against a KY program that we had been 31-0 against before Mullen).
The wheels would've likely fallen off on 2019, and Mullen might've been out the door sometime in 2020.
That would've sucked in the short term, but we would've gotten rid of the poison that Mullen and Grantham had infected this program with that we are now seeing.
Of course it's always clearer in hindsight, and I cherish the games Trask had here, so I can't say I regret that it happened the way it did.
But I really wish that Mullen was somewhat less of a goober and would've been able to get some sort of NFL gig after Trask left so that his cancerous influence would've been eradicated sooner.
In a way, Franks breaking his leg and Trask coming in had some bad along with the good.
The good (actually great) was seeing Trask come off the bench and play some of the best QB we've seen in a long time in the Swamp. What a treat that was, especially with his underdog story.
The bad, however, was it masked Mullen's deficiencies and kept him around a year or so too late.
If Franks wouldn't have gotten hurt in KY, stubborn Mullen would've probably left him in and lost that game (starting off 0-2 against a KY program that we had been 31-0 against before Mullen).
The wheels would've likely fallen off on 2019, and Mullen might've been out the door sometime in 2020.
That would've sucked in the short term, but we would've gotten rid of the poison that Mullen and Grantham had infected this program with that we are now seeing.
Of course it's always clearer in hindsight, and I cherish the games Trask had here, so I can't say I regret that it happened the way it did.
But I really wish that Mullen was somewhat less of a goober and would've been able to get some sort of NFL gig after Trask left so that his cancerous influence would've been eradicated sooner.
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