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re: SEC is Doing Away With Divisions Completely According to Paul Finebaum

Posted on 12/19/21 at 9:34 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 9:34 pm to
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So the LSU Florida game disappears? frick that.

What part of "Example chart (actual might differ)" do you not comprehend? Just call Sankey and demand UF be one of LSU's yearly opponents. You want to drop UA, A&M or OM?
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 9:41 pm
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 9:41 pm to
If you have a proposal it has to be a proper proposal that addresses the issue. Don't claim to have an answer ad then get snotty when it looks like something an Alabama fan drew up without considering other teams complex interests.

We all know about your rivalry games but other teams have complicated interests and rivals as well. Your proposal will probably also annoy Florida fans you offer no Tennessee and no LSU fixed opponents
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 9:46 pm to
You were snotty first. The proposal addresses the issues. Again, that chart is only an example. That model can accommodate each school's desired rivals. Pods cannot.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 9:59 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 9:54 pm to
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That model can accommodate each school's desired rivals


That's wishful thinking

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Pods cannot


Give me a non pod solution that does as good of a job as this:

Pod1: Arkansas gets LSU, Tennessee, Kentucky
Pod1: Texas gets A&M, Vanderbilt, Florida
Pod1: OU gets OM, Alabama, Georgia
Pod1: Missouri gets MSU, Auburn, USC

Pod2: LSU gets Arkansas, Alabama, Florida
Pod2: A&M gets Texas, Auburn, USC
Pod2: OM gets OU, Vanderbilt, Georgia
Pod2: MSU gets Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky

Pod3: Alabama gets OU, LSU, USC
Pod3: Auburn gets Missouri, A&M, Georgia
Pod3: Tennessee gets Arkansas, MSU, Florida
Pod3: Vanderbilt gets Texas, OM, Kentucky

Pod4: Georgia gets OU, A&M, Auburn
Pod4: Florida gets Texas, LSU, Tennessee
Pod4: USC gets Missouri, OM, Alabama
Pod4: Kentucky gets Arkansas, MSU, Vanderbilt
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 9:56 pm to
The model I suggested can accommodate ALL of those yearly rivals without pods.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:01 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:04 pm to
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accommodate ALL of those yearly rivals


Nonsense

In your model LSU was not getting Florida, Arkansas, A&M, Alabama and the Mississippi schools.

Florida wasn't even getting LSU and Tennessee
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:13 pm to
The chart is only an example. The 3 rivals for each team can be different than what I listed. Pods are NOT required to accommodate each team having 3 yearly rivals and rotating the other 12 in 6 schedule slots.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:20 pm
Posted by Chingon Ag
Member since Nov 2018
2886 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:15 pm to
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Well Texass since we play RRR every year

Then what??

I would take any 2 real SEC teams such as Georgia Florida or Bama ie not interested in Missou( big8) or Aggie ( Big 12) or arky (southwest)


You’ll get what you’re given and like it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:17 pm to
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so that all rivalry games can remain


This is not technically possible. There will be some rivalries lost no matter what.

Granted, LSU has way too many rivalries (A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, and Florida)
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36178 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:17 pm to
But only allows three fixed rivals. Which is the big reason why it should be rejected in favor of alternatives which preserve more rivalry games.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:22 pm to
More yearly rivals results in less frequent rotation of the other SEC opponents. Not having 6 or so annual rivals you want isn't really a big issue since having 3 makes the rotations very frequent. You'd play all rotating teams twice within every four years.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:30 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36178 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:29 pm to
Your solution offers a complete home/away rotation in four years with nine conference games per year.

That's pretty similar to the pods solution I offered that keeps more rivalry games (e.g Florida/LSU, Florida/Georgia, Florida/Tennessee, LSU/A&M, LSU/Arkansas, LSU/Florida, LSU/Alabama). Six years versus four if you want nine conference games or four years if you want ten conference games with rotating divisions.

The rivalry games are the baby, not the bathwater
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:34 pm to
Yep. With 9 games and 3 yearly rivals it accomplishes the same rotation frequncy that pods would. The difference is no pods. So, it eliminates potentially imbalanced pods and facilitates more equitable scheduling.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36178 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:36 pm to
Which is a functional disadvantage because the pods are geographically sensible and representative of historically important rivalries
Posted by starkvingrad
Florida
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:37 pm to
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, SCAR
Central: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama
South: A&M, LSU, State, Ole Miss
West: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mizzou
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18297 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:39 pm to
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With 9 games

I like it.

The uneven home/away schedule will be more contentious with ADs than any lesser annual rivalries lost.

Would be cool if there was a rotating set of hosting neutral site game locations throughout SEC country for the 9th game each year.

Would be good for fans of teams that don't regularly get them
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:40 pm to
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Which is a functional disadvantage because the pods are geographically sensible and representative of historically important rivalries

Nope. It can accommodate the same rivalries as any set of pods you devise. Pods cause problems, not any real advantages. You're dying on that hill.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36178 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:44 pm to
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Nope. It can accommodate the same rivalries as any set of pods you devise. Pods offer no advantages.


Now you have to be joking

You can determine six permanent opponents with the four team pods plus three fixed out of pod opponents. That's literally up to twice as many potential rivals you can play every year
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:47 pm to
You can also have 6 yearly rivals without pods. Either way, 6 early rivals results in 9 non-rivals rotating in 3 schedule slots which is less often than 12 non-rivals (with 3 yearly rivals) rotate in 6 schedule slots. It works, but that's the trade-off.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 11:13 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36178 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:50 pm to
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6 yearly rivals results in non-rivals playing half as often


If that were true it would still be acceptable. But it's not even true since the full conference rotation would be completed in six years rather than four years.

And the other viable option would be to play ten conference games and finish the rotation in four years
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:51 pm
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