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re: This staff has broke me
Posted on 11/22/21 at 9:11 pm to jangalang
Posted on 11/22/21 at 9:11 pm to jangalang
quote:So he caught COVID. You don't know if he was vaccinated or not nor does it matter as it could have been either way. Wise up the vaxxed are getting COVID also. Check out Big Ben...
Nevertheless he did miss time in the fall
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 9:43 pm to 88TIger
You’re right. The vax can get Covid too. It was the distraction that was annoying.
Posted on 11/22/21 at 11:14 pm to jangalang
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You’re just an argumentative sack of shite
The irony is palpable
Posted on 11/23/21 at 5:41 am to GoCrazyAuburn
You voluntarily spent well over an hour trying to defend someone’s dumbass question after I called you argumentative the first time. 
I was at least defending my own sincere thoughts.
And weren’t you supposed to fall on a grenade? You wouldn’t disappoint me would you?
I was at least defending my own sincere thoughts.
And weren’t you supposed to fall on a grenade? You wouldn’t disappoint me would you?
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 6:02 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:55 am to jangalang
This is on record Harsin's worse year on record, sure he played in the mountain west and Arkansas state, but those teams actually had carryover of coherent recruitment from the year's prior. Malzahn's best season was with great recruitment carryover from Chizik and then it has been mediocre seasons since.
When I say this guy needs time, this guy needs time. Why do you think NFL coaches were actively avoiding our QBs from Malzahn? They knew they couldn't outcoach the lack of development with Malzahn's system within a short turn around. Look at Stidham for an example at New Engled.
Harsin was hired on Christmas Eve with a terrible recruiting class and those same QBs. He's had 11 months to completely turn around a downward trajectory team/recruiting class. He made our S&C more physical than it's been in years and did some things to get some longevity in place. Although I do think our coordinators need to learn how to use the bench way way better than they do. I'm still pissed about Canion and several defensive players sitting there unused.
Y'all save your melts for next year, or more likely the year after if things are still bad. We can't keep expecting instant results from a coach? What about Bruce Pearl's first few years? Did we expect him to have his system in place in one year--NO. Look where it is now. This falls along the same lines--I know Pearl is a helluva recruiter, but every coach needs time.
Until we give him that we are just going to continue this cycle of repeated trouble/Tennesee-ism.
When I say this guy needs time, this guy needs time. Why do you think NFL coaches were actively avoiding our QBs from Malzahn? They knew they couldn't outcoach the lack of development with Malzahn's system within a short turn around. Look at Stidham for an example at New Engled.
Harsin was hired on Christmas Eve with a terrible recruiting class and those same QBs. He's had 11 months to completely turn around a downward trajectory team/recruiting class. He made our S&C more physical than it's been in years and did some things to get some longevity in place. Although I do think our coordinators need to learn how to use the bench way way better than they do. I'm still pissed about Canion and several defensive players sitting there unused.
Y'all save your melts for next year, or more likely the year after if things are still bad. We can't keep expecting instant results from a coach? What about Bruce Pearl's first few years? Did we expect him to have his system in place in one year--NO. Look where it is now. This falls along the same lines--I know Pearl is a helluva recruiter, but every coach needs time.
Until we give him that we are just going to continue this cycle of repeated trouble/Tennesee-ism.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:00 am to jangalang
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Y’all can have Harsin’s win over a shitty LSU in BR but stop acting like our trajectory is up.
I'm not. I'm acting like there are still a lot of unknowns, and therefore - no reason to give up all hope yet.
I'm not thrilled with how things are going. But I knew where things were with Gus. I KNEW with absolute certainty that barring an elite generational player, he would not have us pull off a multi-year run of very competitive seasons.
At this point I'd still opt for the unknown, with its potential highs and lows, than the boring, largely non-competitive, out-with-a-whimper seasons we usually had with Gus. That could change, but it hasn't yet.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:13 am to TemperdTiger
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Y'all save your melts for next year, or more likely the year after if things are still bad. We can't keep expecting instant results from a coach? What about Bruce Pearl's first few years?
It’s not about the L’s. I had very few expectations to enter the season. It was just a fact finding season. It’s how we lost the last two games that matters to me. Our talent didn’t lose those games. Coaching cost us. I didn’t see any leadership across the board as we crumbled.
As for Bruce- he came in and first year inspired a weak basketball team to exceed expectations in the SEC tournament. Trajectory was up. His recruiting gave hope to sustain us through the next couple down years. What is your source of hope with Harsin? If your source of hope that feeds you positive thoughts is that “he isn’t Gus” then that fountain will dry up real quick.
Recruiting is a nope
Game management is a nope. 10 YR HC making newbie mistakes.
Development is a maybe but do you really think this staff can develop these players to overcome game management and talent deficiencies. Nope.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:20 am to jangalang
And you spent well over an hour making up arguments in your head, then responding to them as if I actually made them myself even though I never did, just so you could continue arguing things that weren’t even said. Pot and kettle and the such.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:20 am to Pettifogger
quote:All this.
I'm not thrilled with how things are going. But I knew where things were with Gus. I KNEW with absolute certainty that barring an elite generational player, he would not have us pull off a multi-year run of very competitive seasons.
At this point I'd still opt for the unknown, with its potential highs and lows, than the boring, largely non-competitive, out-with-a-whimper seasons we usually had with Gus. That could change, but it hasn't yet.
None of us are happy how these last three weeks have played out. In fact, it's been almost the opposite of what I hoped would happen - instead of struggling mightily early but coming together to close out the season with strong performances (much like Tubs' first year in '99), we seemed to get over the disappointing loss in Happy Valley and the near-disaster against GA State to play some very solid football in the middle of the season, only to collapse down the stretch. And it doesn't help that recruiting is still in the crapper.
That said, we would still be muddling along with Gustav, and would probably be sitting at 6-5 with an expected blowout loss to Bama incoming anyway, then be faced with the same decision we had last year - do we cut him loose after another wasted season, or go compete with UF/LSU/USC and possibly other major programs in the HC-go-round?
My only concern is that Hars' interest in the UW job is true. If it is, it will be a very bad sign, whether he gets the job or not. Either way it would indicate he is unhappy on the Plains, and that doesn't bode well for our future as a program.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:21 am to jangalang
I think Hars knew coming in that his first year with these players wasn't going to be great, so he's saving his horses for the right race. I think he knows he should be rotating in more players, I'm going to give him that benefit of the doubt.
Although I was kind of irked yesterday when he said we needed explosive plays, and seemed to only indicate the explosive plays come from passes, and not running. That's an issue, we had explosive plays all game FROM RUNNING, yet you wanted to force passing explosive plays that weren't there.
Although I was kind of irked yesterday when he said we needed explosive plays, and seemed to only indicate the explosive plays come from passes, and not running. That's an issue, we had explosive plays all game FROM RUNNING, yet you wanted to force passing explosive plays that weren't there.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:24 am to Pettifogger
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I'm not. I'm acting like there are still a lot of unknowns, and therefore - no reason to give up all hope yet.
The day when 4th and 1 mentality isn’t just talk I’ll be back into the fold.
I’m not buying what he is selling beforehand.
Gus made my head boil but we at least had hope with him during the odd numbered years and I still wanted him gone. The unknown isn’t much hope
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:24 am to TemperdTiger
I feel like he's all about how you perform in practice versus how you could help on field. Like if you don't do exceedingly well in practice you won't make it to the field at all. When players that DO do well in practice need a break, they need a break period--this would easily fix some of the problems we have had down the stretch in a game.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:26 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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GoCrazyAuburn
I’m done entertaining your nonsense and didn’t even read it. Go away
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:28 am to jangalang
Have a snickers.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:55 am to FearlessFreep
Having calmed down from Saturday’s catastrophe - mostly from coaches - I’ve started to go with the sentiment that Harsin leaving - voluntarily or not - would not be the best. Love some of our die-hard folks that say we should be one of the best jobs in the country, but I personally don’t want a lame duck President and ADAG - or whatever booster they choose - competing with USC, LSU, and UF for coaches. And no hire is a sure thing - look at Mullen; look at Sarkisian in a historic losing streak; even Cristobal got his doors blown off last weekend.
Some people like to say “Saban and Kirby were 7-8 wins in their first years at their schools!” Harsin is not a comparison to those recruiting machines. I think the best we can hope for us is a more patient, Dabo Swinney-type trajectory. He had 2-3 so-so seasons with only top 15-20 classes, then put together Tajh Boyd, Sammy Watkins, and DeAndre Hopkins for a big run over couple of years to launch an upward trajectory. Now, they ABSOLUTELY benefited from a crappy conference and we don’t have that advantage. But after a handful of years, it was a stable 10+ win program that eventually cracked through for title game appearances. Given our starting point and our competition, I think that might be the most hopeful trajectory. Clemson didn’t really start reeling in top 10 classes until after they played for a title, too.
And just FYI, I despise Dabo and hated even writing this. But in the age of constant change in college football, I think our best bet is giving Harsin 2-3 more years to recruit and get his staff and culture in place, allowing the new football facility to help recruiting, then see what we have or if change is needed.
Some people like to say “Saban and Kirby were 7-8 wins in their first years at their schools!” Harsin is not a comparison to those recruiting machines. I think the best we can hope for us is a more patient, Dabo Swinney-type trajectory. He had 2-3 so-so seasons with only top 15-20 classes, then put together Tajh Boyd, Sammy Watkins, and DeAndre Hopkins for a big run over couple of years to launch an upward trajectory. Now, they ABSOLUTELY benefited from a crappy conference and we don’t have that advantage. But after a handful of years, it was a stable 10+ win program that eventually cracked through for title game appearances. Given our starting point and our competition, I think that might be the most hopeful trajectory. Clemson didn’t really start reeling in top 10 classes until after they played for a title, too.
And just FYI, I despise Dabo and hated even writing this. But in the age of constant change in college football, I think our best bet is giving Harsin 2-3 more years to recruit and get his staff and culture in place, allowing the new football facility to help recruiting, then see what we have or if change is needed.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:00 am to McCalebbUpTheMiddle
Yeah Jang, all we want is a little level-headedness and less heated emotional response. You post so much you are posting to reply to your own post. Like take some valium
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:10 am to TemperdTiger
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You post so much you are posting to reply to your own post.
What?
Edited- I’ve yet to see a post where I replied to myself. How many pages back should I go back?
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:16 am to McCalebbUpTheMiddle
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I think our best bet is giving Harsin 2-3 more years to recruit and get his staff and culture in place, allowing the new football facility to help recruiting, then see what we have or if change is needed.
Harsin has never proved he could recruit. Giving himself and his Boise boys some time to get a handle on recruiting isn’t a great idea.
Regardless, we lead the nation in dead money and Harsin isn’t going anywhere unless he leaves on his own.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:33 am to jangalang
agree 100% with all of this.
2019 we had 9 wins
2017 we had 10 wins and if the SEC player of the year was healthy who knows. I know Gus ran him in the ground. please don't go there.
This is not about Gus this is about Harsin. You don't blow 25 point leads to a team less talented.
What has he done to impress you give me some hope.
2019 we had 9 wins
2017 we had 10 wins and if the SEC player of the year was healthy who knows. I know Gus ran him in the ground. please don't go there.
This is not about Gus this is about Harsin. You don't blow 25 point leads to a team less talented.
What has he done to impress you give me some hope.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:34 am to jangalang
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2015 was backup Qb. shite OL. shite receivers. And Peyton.
Whose fault is that?
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