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Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:00 pm to
double post
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Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:01 pm to
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Deshaun Watson's YPA was 8.36, Coker's was 7.91 and Chad Kelly's was 8.83.


All of those guys were 65%+ completion. Sean White's #s compare to Kyle Allen 57% 7.8 YPA


I don't see White being much better than Kyle Allen for us. I like Sean White, just not in Gus' system
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:16 pm to
Do you know just how few freshman DL were ranked the #1 overall recruit by any service at all?

They don't hand those rankings out based on your potential after 2 years of experience. Recruiting services rank prospects on how ready they are to make an immediate impact, i.e. you don't even sniff the #1 overall spot unless you're expected to step in and make an impact from day 1.


That was the most Auburn excuse ever. It seems like we're the only team that never has big time recruits start and make an impact as true freshman. It's a joke at this point.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:18 pm to
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yeah, he is much worse than any other QB I ever heard talk. thats about the most asinine comment in this thread. if you cant see there was a problem with our red zone play calling you may not have room to be questioning anyone's football IQ...just sayin furthermore if public speaking translated to football IQ, and hell if football IQ was so important in the GM system please do explain Nick Marshall.


You guys are a little sensitive. Every post is a personal attack on this board

I'm just saying that if Gus wants to win games and play calling in the redzone sucks... maybe part of it is because he knows what his QBs can't do?

I don't think that's unreasonable. I mentioned that the playcalling was poor in earlier posts. It's not my fault that you didn't read that. I just don't feel like dishing out excuses for everyone when probability tells me that SW and JJ aren't good yet and that Gus still has a lot to learn about playcalling. It's possible for both to exist. It's convenient to blame everything on Gus because, as fans, we feel like that's the easiest thing to fix.

I'm not down on our QBs (just not excited). I think if they're 25% better we have a chance of being really good no matter which one wins up taking the snaps.

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and hell if football IQ was so important in the GM system please do explain Nick Marshall.


Nick Marshall was a QB that could rely on his physical talents to push him over the edge where SW simply cannot. SW has to be smarter. His athletic ability won't cover for terrible play calling or busted plays

I'm not even sure if you know why you're arguing with me as it seems we're mostly on the same page with everything
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:21 pm to
Everyone knew cowart was an athletic freak, but raw... I don't care where bullshite recruiting services rank a guy (that sounds like a You problem).

This isn't your x-box bro

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Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:22 pm to
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That was the most Auburn excuse ever. It seems like we're the only team that never has big time recruits start and make an impact as true freshman. It's a joke at this point.


There seriously isn't a single guy other than Cowart who was a 5* that was disappointing his FR year given his situation either depth chart/injury


Since 2010 5*

10
Dyer -> Set AU FR rushing record
Coleman-> can't blame AU for cancer

2011

Kris Frost - Injured FR year

2012
N/A

2013

Adams - Played significant snaps at DT despite 2 JR returning starters
Lawson - Played significant snaps at DE despite possibly torn ACL

2014
Roc Thomas - Sat behind 1st Team All SEC RB
Tre Williams - Sat behind 2 returning LBs

2015
Cowart- Meh
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:24 pm to
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And I don't mind the lack of TD passes w/ White....the facts were that we were better in the RZ at scoring TDs when he was the QB...I don't really care much who did the scoring of the TDs.


I don't have any statistics, but I feel like we were most effective in the redzone when KJ was the QB
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37747 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:33 pm to
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And I don't mind the lack of TD passes w/ White....the facts were that we were better in the RZ at scoring TDs when he was the QB...I don't really care much who did the scoring of the TDs.


That actually is not a fact.

In games where Sean White was clear QB for the game, we had 25 RZ appearances 20 Scores 13 TDs

In games where JJ was clear QB for the game, we had 23 RZ appearances, 21 scores 15 TDS


SW- 80% score/ 52% TD
JJ- 91% Score / 65% TD

**Memphis game didn't give to anyone
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted by WareagleKK
Milton, GA (ur welcome for Lawson)
Member since May 2012
2749 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

So what do we make of the Memphis game, then?


man....that game sucked for him. Inaccurate. Skiddish looking. I don't know if he was still favoring his knee, or rusty, or what....but he was all over the place and trying to do too much. That was a flat out bad, bad game.
Posted by WareagleKK
Milton, GA (ur welcome for Lawson)
Member since May 2012
2749 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

That actually is not a fact.

In games where Sean White was clear QB for the game, we had 25 RZ appearances 20 Scores 13 TDs

In games where JJ was clear QB for the game, we had 23 RZ appearances, 21 scores 15 TDS


SW- 80% score/ 52% TD
JJ- 91% Score / 65% TD

**Memphis game didn't give to anyone


I swear I saw some stats that looked extremely different to that, but it is possible that I saw those stats around the Ole Miss game when re-watching it.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:38 pm to
quote:


Nick Marshall was a QB that could rely on his physical talents to push him over the edge where SW simply cannot. SW has to be smarter.


Even so, it is hard to judge Marshall's football IQ due to his communication limitations. I know people on the west coast who would say our engineering graduates are stupid because they talk with a rural southern accent.

I don't know about Sean White, but if he can communicate but seems to have a hard time grasping football ideas, it is easier to pass judgment on his football IQ.


TL;DR
Marshall may have a low football IQ, but I don't think any of us will know because we speak a different language.
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:39 pm to
So other than Dyer you're stretching it because none of them contributes very much immediatley
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37747 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:40 pm to
quote:


I swear I saw some stats that looked extremely different to that, but it is possible that I saw those stats around the Ole Miss game when re-watching it.


It was probably the Arkansas game only stat when we went 6/6 on TDs in the RZ.


MSU we were 0/4 TD 2/4 scoring, SJSU 4/5 TD/Scoring , Kentucky 3/5 TD 5/5 Scoring


Ole Miss we were 0/3 TD 3/3 scoring
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34093 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Even so, it is hard to judge Marshall's football IQ due to his communication limitations. I know people on the west coast who would say our engineering graduates are stupid because they talk with a rural southern accent.

I don't know about Sean White, but if he can communicate but seems to have a hard time grasping football ideas, it is easier to pass judgment on his football IQ.


TL;DR Marshall may have a low football IQ, but I don't think any of us will know because we speak a different language.


I think we've officially begun to over analyze this Not sure about his football IQ. I just know he sounds pretty dumb, but so do a lot of athletes so it could mean nothing. I think SW = ('05 -'06) Brandon Cox and I don't know if that's good or bad yet
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:44 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

So other than Dyer you're stretching it because none of them contributes very much immediatley


I'm saying you have an absurd notion as to what a quality FR season looks like.

Take a look at the SEC All FR teams over the past couple years. Just starting on your team basically makes you a contender for 50% of the positions if not being in the rotation.
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 1:46 pm
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

I think SW = ('05 -'06) Brandon Cox and I don't know if that's good or bad yet



I wouldn't say that is far off. Unfortunately, I don't think Kevin Steele is the guy to put together strings of top 10-15 defenses
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 1:52 pm to
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37747 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 2:06 pm to
If you consistently have freshmen come in and play large volume of snaps, that says a lot more about your coaches development of players than the FR themselves.


It is my hope that we have enough SO-SR players good enough to make our quality FR sit on the bench and learn
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
66466 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 2:52 pm to
All these stats and all this discussion is fun and all but none of it really matters.

If Jeremy Johnson wants to take over the team this year and make a place for himself, he is going to have to man up and run the ball. There really is no other way. He is a big physical looking kid. He has the tools, he just needs the heart

Sean White is not the answer for us at QB and he never will be. He is not built for what Gus can and will do with his offense in the SEC


Now if you guys have all this time to dig up stats, throw darts at each other and waste time all day, I wish you would all grab a tray of spinnerbaits for me and put them bitches together. My old arse is about done. :was:


Back to your regularly scheduled program.



Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34093 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 3:11 pm to
Shut up, grandpa. Read your newspaper if you don't like discussion
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