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re: Players entering the Portal Thread

Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:01 am to
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:01 am to
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The takeaway here is that maybe you should leave the player evaluation up to the professionals.

So you and Hokanson are professionals right?

Why was he recruited at all?
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:02 am to
He was recruited as a TE.. I'll give him credit for that part. Its possible to just not keep up with every little change during the season and miss a few things. Landon King played WR for us last year though, because he's small for a TE and our WRs sucked so bad we we're looking for anyone who could contribute and didn't drop passes.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51791 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:02 am to
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Ron deleted some of my posts when I said that I can write opinion pieces with no insight like Phillip if he wants me to.

I heard the P. Marshall gifs get zapped with a quickness as well
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51791 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:05 am to
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Hoke has always seemed solid though,

So you like misquote journalism?
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:33 am to
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I get it.. Yall think every player that transfers out is horrible and shouldn't even bother playing football. Might as well just retire now.

Maybe they just don't fit with the staff or can't learn a zone-heavy scheme? That was Tennison's problem. He's a heat-seeking missle but can't play zone for shite. Coaches don't play inferior players. Every practice is graded and its easy to see execution on effort and assignments.

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I said many times last year during his recruitment that if he was a couple inches taller and weighed a little more than he would have been the top S recruit in the country.


This sounds like me!

A star ranking means nothing once you get to campus. As far why he didn't play, it could have been the scheme and assignments. It also may have been he needed to eat a million more sandwiches before he weighed a legitimate 180lbs. Or maybe he was overrated and just sucked. No one knows, but Mason wasn't going to play him and he's not playing inferior players in front of him.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 11:35 am
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:54 am to
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Mason wasn't going to play him and he's not playing inferior players in front of him.
Mason made PLENTY of questionable decisions all year. I still believe he should have been out. Its just too hard to replace both coordinators at the same time. It would have ranked recruiting. We barely rotated the DL too. Tennison still played better than Kaufman or Knigthen with less game experience and more potential than both. Transfer from WV who was all conference and didn't play a snap for us this year. I absolutely question Masons ability to judge players.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 12:24 pm to
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Tennison still played better than Kaufman or Knigthen with less game experience and more potential than both.
Can you provide the grades for Tennison, Kaufman and Knighten? I feel confident the coaches played the most effective players based on grading practice and game film. What you're saying is just your opinion and is a cognative bias towards a player you thought to be better than the others.
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Transfer from WV who was all conference and didn't play a snap for us this year.
See above.
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I absolutely question Masons ability to judge players.

See above.

None of this is hard to figure out (coaches grading player performance). It might not be easy for you to accept, but it isn't hard to figure out. Mason's scheme requires a different skill-set than Steele's. This happens during every coaching transition, particularly with different coaches and when you run a completely different approach on D or O.

If I were to offer my OPINION on the cute little guy Amari Harvey, I'd say he was too light to play on this level. Maybe he'll juice up at his next spot and get swole, but based on % success of transfers leaving AU, I'm taking the under and we'll never hear much about him again.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 12:30 pm
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 12:31 pm to
I don't have their grades.. I know Tennison transferred to Ole Miss and has a good chance to start for them next year though (I don't know their depth chart) so we will find out soon.

Mason/Harsin we're the ones that wanted the WV transfer.. shouldn't they have known if he could play in the system before we brought him in? Wouldn't that fall under evaluating players?
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 12:57 pm to
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I know Tennison transferred to Ole Miss and has a good chance to start for them next year though (I don't know their depth chart) so we will find out soon.
I think Tennison will be good in the right scheme. I agree with you there.
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Mason/Harsin we're the ones that wanted the WV transfer.. shouldn't they have known if he could play in the system before we brought him in? Wouldn't that fall under evaluating players?
It's certainly less of a risk than evaluating high school players because he's played at the P-5 level. I would say that evaluating players from afar is not quite the same as grading players up close and personal. You don't really know exactly what another staff is asking a player to do and how they were taught. Also with Harsin (and Mason by proxy) emphasizing effort in practice, it could have been something as small as not going 100% in practice. Its a different coaching staff than UWV, so different traits are going to be emphasized differently. Maybe he showed up out of shape? Or had nagging injuries that were not reported? He played under Vic Koenning, and I don't remember him being a disciplinarian at Alabama or the 100 other places he's coached. Those are guesses. I really couldn't tell you. I just think he didn't show the productivity at practice compared to the other CB's and there could have been 100 different reasons why.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 3:23 pm
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
28447 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 2:09 pm to
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You literally have no idea what you're talking about

Says the guy losing his shite over a skinny midget transferring out

Again, sorry your eval sucked
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 2:25 pm to
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Says the guy losing his shite over a skinny midget transferring out

Again, sorry your eval sucked
Learn what positions people play before you ever address me again.

I'm the crazy one of thinking one of the top S recruits in the country is actually good I suppose every scout who said the same thing after watching him play and practice also have no clue.

90% of this board was yelling for Mason to get fired all year until he finally had a good plan against Bama and now yall want to act like he's been good all year.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
28447 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 2:39 pm to
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Learn what positions people play before you ever address me again.

Because a kid takes some snaps detached from the OL it disqualifies them from being a TE? Just because we aren’t using him the same way we use Shenker doesn’t mean the kids not still a TE. But don’t let your attempt at semantics detract from your stance that Harsin doesn’t play freshmen
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I'm the crazy one of thinking one of the top S recruits in the country is actually good

No you’re saying that it’s a big loss that a kid that’s buried on the depth chart and hasn’t even come close to sniffing a snap.
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90% of this board was yelling for Mason to get fired all year until he finally had a good plan against Bama and now yall want to act like he's been good all year.

I’ve been one of the few Mason defenders all year long. Learn my stance on coaches before you ever address me again.
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 2:46 pm to
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Because a kid takes some snaps detached from the OL it disqualifies them from being a TE? Just because we aren’t using him the same way we use Shenker doesn’t mean the kids not still a TE. But don’t let your attempt at semantics detract from your stance that Harsin doesn’t play freshmen
Like I said.. You should know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. I don't pay for 247 anymore, so I can't look it up, but they covered it. There was articles written about playing him at WR. But sure.. its just because he was split out wide and not info that came from the coaches.

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I’ve been one of the few Mason defenders all year long. Learn my stance on coaches before you ever address me again.
Thats all I need to know :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by DutchValleyTiger
Member since Dec 2014
1145 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 2:50 pm to


Anything new on a possible Portal QB?
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 3:06 pm to
Nothing new. We are in some kind of dead period right now so we probably won't hear much until that's over.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
28447 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 3:15 pm to
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There was articles written about playing him at WR.

The articles were mostly King constantly referring himself as a WR.
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Thats all I need to know

Let me guess, you’re a big fan of total defense and that yards matter more than points

ETA: Keep clinging to labeling King as a WR so you can avoid your idiotic comment about Harsin not playing freshmen, and acting like King didn’t contribute when he had one of the biggest catches of the year.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 3:32 pm to
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Let me guess, you’re a big fan of total defense and that yards matter more than points
I can about not rotating the DL, I care about DBs lined up 10 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 5, I care about SC running the same play the whole 2nd half of the game and us not being able to stop it.
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ETA: Keep clinging to labeling King as a WR so you can avoid your idiotic comment about Harsin not playing freshmen, and acting like King didn’t contribute when he had one of the biggest catches of the year.
He didn't. I'm not saying he won't in the future, but this year he barely played any. King had 2 catches against UGA, 2 against Ark, and 1 against Bama (it was a great catch though). If 5 total catches and 3 games played in constitutes a major contribution to you then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
70505 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 3:32 pm to
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Why was he recruited at all?


To pump up the recruiting rankings




















Jk


Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
28447 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 3:37 pm to
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If 5 total catches and 3 games played in constitutes a major contribution to you then I don't know what to tell you.

Show me where I said major contribution. Trying to change the narrative again

I said he contributed. Which goes back to my point that Harsin is obviously is fine with freshmen playing when he feels like they can contribute. King had some big drops in other games and was pulled as a result.

But keep informing us how a 5’11 170lb safety leaving is a huge blow
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5483 posts
Posted on 12/19/21 at 3:42 pm to
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But keep informing us how a 5’11 170lb safety leaving is a huge blow
Don't worry.. as long as Puckett and Kaufman our are S I will be.

You already proved numerous times you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know why I'm still responding.
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