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re: Let's get behind Harsin
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:39 am to LRB1967
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:39 am to LRB1967
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How much time do we give him?
You should give a coach five full seasons. At that point you see what he can do in all aspects of the program.
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Too many years of poor recruiting puts the program in a hole that is hard to get out of.
firing a HC every couple of years does the same exact thing. HC's, asst. coaches, and recruits all want stability.
I haven't seen a single person mention recruits in regards to firing a HC every few years. You think recruiting is bad now? Get in a habit of doing that.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 9:40 am
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Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:40 am to freemanjiro
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And I thought my life sucked. Thanks Jang - you rarely disappoint. Would you like a blind link to Peter Cetera's "You're My Inspiration?" frick off but Happy War Eagle Day to you anyway.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:44 am to MrAUTigers
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we hire a coach. we give him time to implement his program. If it doesn't work, we move on.
Pretty simple and all I have offered to Harsin. Are there some early recruiting concerns? Yep, but I am giving him some time before coming unglued like several have.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:03 am to MrAUTigers
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firing a HC every couple of years does the same exact thing. HC's, asst. coaches, and recruits all want stability.
1. If a program can identify the mistake I have no problem with corrective action. Being scared to fix the mistake leads to bigger issues down the road. HC’s want stability. Yes. But it’s not our problem if we hire someone to fix the mistakes of the former coach but they don’t seem determined to fix anything at all. Grace is awarded to to those that actively help themselves.
So let’s do a poll:
Up to this point is our football program under Harsin headed in the right direction?
Downvote if Harsin has our program headed into the right direction and I’m wrong for wanting him gone.
Upvote if Harsin is leading the program the wrong direction.
Direction is vague but encompasses: team success, recruiting, culture, and so on.
2. Harsin defenders say we have already rubbed the Genie out of the bottle. Can’t just put him back. Anybody that believes Harsin was crippled should not want Harsin to stick around for his sake and for our sake. For those that think Harsin isn’t leading the program in the right direction but should be afforded 5 years of time, I think you’re asking for a complete collapse of interest into football program.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:30 am to jangalang
use some common sense here.............why do you think it's so hard for Harsin to recruit? why do you think it was so hard for Gus to recruit the last several years? (both examples have the exact same answer)
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:34 am to jangalang
frick off Jang, let's both get a life, and stop shitposting. K? K. Happy War Eagle Day. Lighten up Francis / Frances. I am taking my dog to the river for a swim. To chill, gather some perspective, and watch my dog enjoy life. 
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:39 am to MrAUTigers
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why do you think it's so hard for Harsin to recruit?
Because he underperformed his responsibilities. He butchered JuniorDay so bad that he had to visit local schools to tell them to come by. Work ethic in recruiting is not his saving grace.
Malzahn barely struggled in recruiting lol. He would bat off the PTB and then pull in a top 12 class. He struggled rounding out his classes. That was his issue. He’d go get an extra nickelback defender before an extra OL.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:40 am to freemanjiro
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frick off Jang, let's both get a life, and stop shitposting
Nobody is shite posting here, Jiro. This is a conversation.
Take Care
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:44 am to jangalang
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Because he underperformed his responsibilities.
wrong. because every coach recruiting against Auburn says........."If you go to Auburn, you won't be playing for the coach you signed with your 3/4 years there". Kids want to know the system they will be in.........not will the system change while I am there?
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Malzahn barely struggled in recruiting lol. He would bat off the PTB and then pull in a top 12 class.
He recruited like Chiz. Decent ranked classes but holes all over the field. Gus's last few classes were not very good. How many HS OL did he sign his last four years at Auburn?
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:55 am to MrAUTigers
You obviously don’t remember the effort given after the season ended. I do. Getting turned down is one thing, but the effort wasn’t there. Malzahn’s staff did a lot of mileage and burnt midnight oil during that time frame, but Harsin’s staff did not have an effort worth rallying for.
Take a wild guess when Daniel Thomas and Roger Mcreary commited to Auburn? They were backup plans that jumped aboard in the last minute. Daniel Thomas on NSD and Mcreary on January 21st. It takes relationship building effort just to get to the point of having backup plans. What low rated kids did Harsin have to call when he went 0-4 on NSD? There were none.
Why is this even relevant to the mysterious “reason why Harsin and Gus couldn’t recruit?? I already pointed out the holes in Gus’s recruiting classes.
Take a wild guess when Daniel Thomas and Roger Mcreary commited to Auburn? They were backup plans that jumped aboard in the last minute. Daniel Thomas on NSD and Mcreary on January 21st. It takes relationship building effort just to get to the point of having backup plans. What low rated kids did Harsin have to call when he went 0-4 on NSD? There were none.
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How many HS OL did he sign his last four years at Auburn?
Why is this even relevant to the mysterious “reason why Harsin and Gus couldn’t recruit?? I already pointed out the holes in Gus’s recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:56 am to MrAUTigers
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You should give a coach five full seasons. At that point you see what he can do in all aspects of the program.
5 full years in the NIL and Transfer Portal era LOLOLOL
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:59 am to jangalang
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Take a wild guess when Daniel Thomas and Roger Mcreary commited to Auburn? They were backup plans that jumped aboard in the last minute. Daniel Thomas on NSD and Mcreary on January 21st. It takes relationship building effort just to get to the point of having backup plans. What low rated kids did Harsin have to call when he went 0-4 on NSD? There were none.
We're in July (~6 months into 2023 recruiting) and no one can even name who our #2 target at WR is now that English committed (and he may not even qualify, btw).
Think about that for a second.
You'd be hard pressed to name more than 2-3 kids who actually look like realistic options at most positions on the field. They plan on taking 2 RB's and no one knows who the #2 target even is yet LOL. There are several schools out there who already have ~80%+ of their class completed.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 11:08 am to metafour
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5 full years in the NIL and Transfer Portal era LOLOLOL
Hell, let's start firing them every three years.
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I swear, we have some that don't have a lick of common sense.
NIL doesn't mean a damn thing if you don't have stability. Not to mention you aren't ever going to get a coach worth a shite if your program will run him and his staff off after a couple of years.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 11:20 am to MrAUTigers
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NIL doesn't mean a damn thing if you don't have stability.
How many games has Mario coached for Miami? College football isn’t your daddy’s sport anymore.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:00 pm to jangalang
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How many games has Mario coached for Miami?
It's fricking Miami........not Auburn, Alabama.
Do you ever put thought into anything or do you just throw shite against the wall and see if it sticks?
ETA and from everything I have read, Critobal is a hell of a recruiter. He has shown he can coach at the highest level. He is home. The U has made a huge commitment to him. He has everything in his favor right now. We are trying to run a HC off who has been here one year.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:31 pm to MrAUTigers
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It's fricking Miami........not Auburn, Alabama.
Miami had not been relevant for two decades. It doesn’t take stability to get NIL kicked off. It takes hope by the investors to get a ROI. Have you considered people just don’t want to invest around Harsin?
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Do you ever put thought into anything or do you just throw shite against the wall and see if it sticks?
Don’t act like you didn’t just throw out Gus failed to recruit OL so he must have had the same recruiting problem as Harsin does even though he lapped Harsin in recruiting by a metric mile.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:35 pm to jangalang
To Jangs point. Texas lost to Kansas and one of their coaches pet monkeys bit someone. No issues recruiting.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:44 pm to AUCE05
I wasn’t aware Sark faced a coup in February.
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:46 pm to jangalang
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It doesn’t take stability to get NIL kicked off
You seem to forgot about the first Auburn collective that went belly up
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:50 pm to AUCE05
Auburn is dead last in recruiting in the conference. If people want to say the boosters did that to him, I will disagree that it is all on the PTB. The PTB acted because of the recruiting.
But if people want to say the boosters crippled him why in the hell would we want to keep him 5 years? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Just stop the Harsin self-pity story altogether if we are supposed to keep him 5 years. Harsin needs to act like he wants to win.
But if people want to say the boosters crippled him why in the hell would we want to keep him 5 years? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Just stop the Harsin self-pity story altogether if we are supposed to keep him 5 years. Harsin needs to act like he wants to win.
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