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re: i dont know if Harsin is gonna work out
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:09 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:09 am to Aubie Spr96
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The dude refused to adjust his offense. College football changed. He helped precipitate those changes. Then, he refused to adjust to everyone else.
Gus was, and still is, a damn good man but what you said is true.
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Posted on 9/10/22 at 8:59 am to jangalang
quote:No more than you can tell me with absolute certainty that he wouldn’t have.
You cannot tell me with absolute certainty he would finish with 6 or less wins in an odd numbered year
The difference being, we can clearly see the Gustav of today is not the Gustav of 2017, much less of 2013.
The last 10 possessions for UCF last night should tell you all you need to know about his offensive coaching ability circa 2022. Especially the last two, when he had the fastest man in the stadium throw the ball 10 times and run it once.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:02 am to FearlessFreep
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No more than you can tell me with absolute certainty that he wouldn’t have.
Well I’m certain he’s never finished a season with 6 wins in a significant sample size of his whole career.
I didn’t need an irrelevant UCF game in 2022 to show me what Gus’s offense can be like. Pretending like Gus isn’t the same Gus as before is just a figment of your imagination.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:05 am to jangalang
quote:and everyone else’s but yours, apparently
Pretending like Gus isn’t the same Gus as before is just a figment of your imagination.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:08 am to Scoper
Anyone who thinks Gus would succeed at Auburn is either related to him, too prideful to admit they are wrong, or have the IQ of a turnip.
The man should retire or coach high school football. No one should be subjected to his leadership in the business of college football.
The man should retire or coach high school football. No one should be subjected to his leadership in the business of college football.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:09 am to FearlessFreep
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and everyone else’s but yours, apparently
Freep: It NeVeR HaPpEnEd BuT iT wAs GoNnA!!
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:16 am to jangalang
Kind of ironic since you are making a similar claim.
Of course Gus never faced a schedule of 11 consecutive bowl teams either. Maybe he would have gone better than 4-7 against them like Harsin did. But given his performance over the past 5 seasons, it’s perfectly reasonable to assume he wouldn’t have.
Again, none of this is a defense of Harsin. It’s a critique of the man he succeeded.
Of course Gus never faced a schedule of 11 consecutive bowl teams either. Maybe he would have gone better than 4-7 against them like Harsin did. But given his performance over the past 5 seasons, it’s perfectly reasonable to assume he wouldn’t have.
Again, none of this is a defense of Harsin. It’s a critique of the man he succeeded.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 9:24 am to FearlessFreep
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Kind of ironic since you are making a similar claim.
You need to learn the definition of irony. I’m not claiming Gus was going to to what he never did. I’m claiming he would’ve done what he has always done and last night was no different.
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Of course Gus never faced a schedule of 11 consecutive bowl teams either
Are you pretending like Gus didn’t routinely coach against one of the toughest schedules in the nation every year? Why do you go stupid like this? And please list all 11 consecutive bowl teams last year that he failed miserably within. Considering that Harsin apparently had two SEC starting caliber QBs on his roster you could easily say he massively underperformed.
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But what makes Malzahn’s argument is the fact that this is the norm. Auburn has ranked top 15 in strength of schedule six times in his seven seasons as the head coach, top 10 five times, top five four times and No. 1 once, in 2014. The easiest schedule the Tigers faced, in 2018, ranked 28th nationally.
Harsin’s task last year was ranked 6th
“Gus never blah blah blah”
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Again, none of this is a defense of Harsin.
Nobody believes you
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:09 am to jangalang
quote:Lose as a favorite to a shitty team due to him going braindead and predictable on offense? On this we agree. That’s been Gustav’s MO since the beginning of the 2018 season.
I’m not claiming Gus was going to to what he never did. I’m claiming he would’ve done what he was always done and last night was no different.
quote:Of course AU always plays one of the toughest schedules year-in and year-out. But it’s a historical fact that no AU HC ever faced 10 consecutive bowl-bound teams (9 of them from P5 conferences) and then played an 11th in a bowl. Like I said, maybe he would have done better than 4-7 against them, but considering he lost 7 of his last 8 games against bowl eligible teams at AU there’s reason to doubt that.
Are you pretending like Gus didn’t routinely coach against one of the toughest schedules in the nation every year? Why do you go stupid like this? And please list all 11 consecutive bowl teams last year that he failed miserably within.
quote:I’ve never made the claim that TJ was an SEC starting caliber QB. He wasn’t at LSU, he wasn’t last year when he was forced into starting due to Bo’s injury, and he isn’t now.
Considering that Harsin apparently had two SEC starting caliber QBs on his roster you could easily say he massively underperformed.
quote:You don’t believe me, it’s obvious. But an objective person could check my post history and see where I picked us to go 6-6 last year and this year, and I fully expect us to have a new HC next season.
Nobody believes you
I’ve come to agree with those who say Harsin is a bad fit, and may not be a good HC as well, and that his success at BSU was more due to that program’s strong foundation laid by his predecessors (most of whom also failed when they attempted to step up to bigger jobs). While I disagree with the manner in which the off-season investigation was handled, I understand the legitimate issues that prompted it. Even if my some miraculous set of circumstances we manage to win 8 or more games this year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him move on to another gig.
None of that matters in my steadfast opinion that Gustav is washed up, and has been coasting since he signed the big deal in 2017. Many other successful, innovative HCs have done the same.
I base my speculation on what I saw and continue to see on the field, not on “the Magick of the Odd-Numbered Year” or other such unfounded nonsense.
Unlike many here, I want Gustav to succeed at UCF, just as much as I want Bo to live up to his highschool hype and succeed at Oregon. But as of right now, it appears that may just be wishful thinking.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:19 am to FearlessFreep
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This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:23 am to FearlessFreep
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Lose as a favorite to a shitty team due to him going braindead and predictable on offense?
Based on the first sentence, and a red herring at that. Typical. I hated Gus before you did over that shite and you’re wasting my time with my own regurgitated points.
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But it’s a historical fact that no AU HC ever faced 10 consecutive bowl-bound teams
If Auburn, South Carolina with a GA turned QB, and LSU can make bowl games then your metric sucks. He could beat Georgia State. Who gives af??? Your pro Harsin/ hate Gus bias sucks. Let me know when you want a real conversation and not just a typing exercise
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:32 am to jangalang
quote:I’ve stated my position on Harsin pretty clearly ITT.
Your pro Harsin/ hate Gus bias sucks. Let me know when you want a real conversation and not just a typing exercise
To reiterate, I thought he was a lowkey brilliant choice when he was hired. I thought midway through last season that I was correct, as did many others.
Pretty much everything that’s happened since has changed my opinion on him. I don’t think he’ll be successful at AU, and I question whether or not he’s even an above-average HC, based on his gametime decisions, his staff choices, and his recruiting philosophy (or lack of same).
I’ve also frequently expressed my gratitude and admiration for Gustav, not only for what he accomplished at AU on the field but for running a clean, well-behaved program off of it, and acting as a good ambassador for the school.
How that translates into “ pro Harsin/ hate Gus bias” isn’t clear to me. Perhaps you could explain it further. TIA.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:42 am to FearlessFreep
Life is better if you skip Jang and Corch’s posts. Just FYI.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:46 am to Aubie Spr96
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Life is better if you skip Jang and Corch’s posts. Just FYI.
Wish there was a block feature. Or a troll feature, 100 downvotes in a month = 2 weeks of no posting.
ETA- not all of Corch's and Jang's posts are terrible. They just have a big ratio of crap to decent posts.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 10:58 am to Aubie Spr96
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Same here. The dude refused to adjust his offense. College football changed. He helped precipitate those changes. Then, he refused to adjust to everyone else
Gus adjusted his offense. He went from fast or big dual threat quarterbacks that took us to two NC games to somewhat mobile throwing qb’s, and I’ll never understand why..
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/10/22 at 11:05 am to Aubie Spr96
Eh, they’re passionate and knowledgeable fans, who occasionally have terrible takes.
I think I tend to agree with both of them most of the time, I just feel they are dead wrong in this instance.
But they are still my brAUthers
I think I tend to agree with both of them most of the time, I just feel they are dead wrong in this instance.
But they are still my brAUthers
Posted on 9/10/22 at 11:13 am to GruntAu
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Gus adjusted his offense. He went from fast or big dual threat quarterbacks that took us to two NC games to somewhat mobile throwing qb’s
Except this isn't even true:
1) He made his way into College football by way of his coaching of Mitch Mustain, a pro-style QB.
2) He was at Tulsa for two seasons - they did not utilize a "big dual threat QB". Instead they were lighting up the scoreboard behind a 5,000 yard passer in year 1, and a 4,000 yard passer in year 2.
3) He came to Auburn, and immediately installed an offense around Chris Todd. He actually inherited a "dual threat QB" (Kodi Burns) who also happened to be from Arkansas, and there was zero attempt to work an offense around him.
It is very easy to see what his offense actually IS/WAS by analyzing his early years and early decisions. Out of however long his career has been, there are only two examples of the mythical "big dual threat QB" - and both were by accident in magical seasons that came out of nowhere. Those offenses/seasons haven't been repeated by anyone else anywhere in the country - forget Malzahn. They were right-place, right-time scenarios where everything worked in our direction.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 12:01 pm to FearlessFreep
I appreciate your tip of the hat freep, but I think you’re dead wrong here too. It’s okay to disagree. Have a great day.
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