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re: Have the AU PTB given up on the football program or
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:43 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:43 pm to LanierSpots
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Rocky Top, you'll always be
Home sweet home to me
Rocky Top went all prog and modern many, many years ago.
And here they are.
And here we come.
The programs having the greatest success of late (Bama, UGA, LSU) are still playing "the game" in the good ol' ways and are OVERJOYED that their competition thinks that they can match them with Millenial Football.
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:45 pm to AUstar
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The negative attitude of fans filters down into everything
Been happening for decades.
The Anti-Dye's...
The Anti-Lowder's...
The Anti-JJ's...
Yeah, I'm sure those "negative attitudes" were only constructive for the program that Dye built from fricking dust, right?
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:06 pm to AUstar
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The negative attitude of fans filters down into everything, from the AD to the staff to the players.
Good. Hopefully that helps Harsin not make another bad OC hire.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:16 pm to Luke
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Let’s face it, hiring Bobo and Mason was a huge red flag
I'm not sure I even understand what you are saying, here. If I'm a part of the GOBN, I am automatically going to be a little suspect of hiring a Mountain West coach. You know what would make me feel better? If he got a couple of coordinators with SEC experience. I'm not saying Harsin was pressured to hire either of them, but I bet it did ease some minds. Hell, everything we heard was that the GOBN wanted Kevin Steele as HC, and that Steele planned to hire Bobo as OC as well.
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Being forced to go that far outside the normal realm to find a HC
This goes back to what I said when we were all talking about the possibility of firing Gus: Who you gonna get? I believe Harsin was probably the best candidate out there that was willing to come to Auburn at the time. You're not getting Stoops or Riley or Franklin to come here, despite the wishes of some
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the status of the program
The status of the program is we are historically an 8-4 -ish program that goes on a memorable tear every few years. We just fired a coach that gave us two of those tears and was instrumental in a third, because we wanted more consistency, and we believe our program has the ability to achieve that consistency. That's fine. Whether we were right or wrong remains to be seen. But the coach we hired to replace him just equaled the fired coach's worst regular season record. He has nowhere to go but up... or gone.
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Is Auburn really an attractive position
It is a place where you can win championships, but you have to go through the SECW + UGA every year to do it, plus deal with our storied GOBN. It's not a bad job but it's not for the faint of heart. There are easier ways to win a Championship. We can hire a good coach, and I think we may have. But there are not proven championship coaches lining up to take this job
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:21 pm to beatbammer
quote:I know you've been white-knighting for the AU GOBN for a long time. And yeah, there's an argument to be made that those guys made it possible for us to be competitive from 1981-2000.
The Anti-Dye's...
The Anti-Lowder's...
The Anti-JJ's...
But the fact is, there's a lot of well-to-do AU alums who aren't as involved in the University - and by extension, AU Athletics - as they could be because of the way AU has been run by Lowder and his cronies for several decades.
And now Lowder himself has run his banking empire into the ground, because he conducted his business the same way he controlled AU all those years - by making major decisions based solely on his personal whims and grudges.
It's no way to run a major university, and it's certainly no way to maintain a modern athletic department. AU's occasional success over the past 20+ years has mostly been in spite of the men you mention, rather than because of them.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:19 pm to beatbammer
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Yeah, I'm sure those "negative attitudes" were only constructive for the program that Dye built from fricking dust, right?
There was no social media back then, so the anti-Dye's really had no voice and no one paid any attention to them.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:37 pm to CreweBilt
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I am automatically going to be a little suspect of hiring a Mountain West coach.
Florida just hired a Sun-Belt coach with about the same record as Harsin (and less HC experience than Harsin). Why does Napier get so much love? The only thing I can figure is because he spent a year with Saban as an analyst. What they don't tell you is tons of Saban assistants have sucked as head coaches. No one questions the Napier hire, but everyone does Harsin. Why?
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I believe Harsin was probably the best candidate out there that was willing to come to Auburn at the time. You're not getting Stoops or Riley or Franklin to come here, despite the wishes of some
I agree. AU isn't as attractive as it probably should be because of the schedule. I don't think it's a lack of resources or tradition, but coaches would rather go to somewhere like FL or UT where they have a much easier schedule. If I had to choose a schedule consisting of Vandy, KY, Mizzou, SC as compared to LSU, Bama, UGA, aTm I am taking the former every time. There is no contest - the West is 1000 times harder than the east. Lincoln Riley knew it which is why he bolted for the easy life of the Pac-12.
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But the coach we hired to replace him just equaled the fired coach's worst regular season record. He has nowhere to go but up... or gone.
The cupboard wasn't bare when Gus got here (which just proves how poorly Chiz coached the 2012 team). Gus did great his first 2 seasons, then he lost Marshall and it went to shite. At that point DC's had him figured out and he never stood a chance.
AU is the hardest job in America, which is why I respect Harsin for taking it on when his career is still young.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:21 pm to AUstar
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AU is the hardest job in America, which is why I respect Harsin for taking it on when his career is still young.
This cannot be stated enough!
Well done sir.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:51 pm to Luke
I like Harsin, I think he deserves some time. It’ll all be up to how he recruits because we’re clearly being left in the dust by Bammer and thuga.
If harsin can find a 2012 type Gus OC, then we hopefully turn things around quickly. But we’ve been without an offense for years now.
If harsin can find a 2012 type Gus OC, then we hopefully turn things around quickly. But we’ve been without an offense for years now.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:40 pm to Rhino5
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2012 type Gus OC
I’m triggered.
2012 3-9 with Tom Brady’s guru
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:49 pm to makersmark1
We are clearly getting lapped by the competition like it or not people... the ship isn’t going to right itself without all hands on deck reporting to a single voice in charge
Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:37 pm to makersmark1
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I’m triggered. 2012 3-9 with Tom Brady’s guru
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2012
I’m banning myself from this thread. We didn’t participate in football in 2012. I meant 2010, but stil… to even bring up 2012 on accident on the AU board is tar and feathered material. I am sorry.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 9:08 am to Luke
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UF 6-6 equal terminated HC, same for LSU
The big fallacy with your arguement is that those coaches have been there for several years and earned that record. The only hotseat at Auburn right now is Mason's if he fails on Defense
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We are clearly getting lapped by the competition like it or not people... the ship isn’t going to right itself without all hands on deck reporting to a single voice in charge
lol, we are 1 or 2 plays from being 10-2 this year (without a couple turnovers), that's not being lapped. If it were heavy blowouts every game that's being lapped-it wasn't. Word is there are big surprises coming in the recruiting world--and those coaches are basically maxing out their delta miles going as far as Oregon to recruit. I don't like the mindset
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:28 am to TemperdTiger
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lol, we are 1 or 2 plays from being 10-2 this year
And one play from being 5-7 with the worst loss in Auburn history
See how that works bro.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 3:29 pm to LanierSpots
I’d take 8-4 or 9-3.... 6-6 bs isn’t going to cut it
Posted on 12/9/21 at 4:04 pm to Luke
quote:We can't even agree on this board... The question is HOW does Auburn move forward, we have a lame duck president. Leath sent us back 5 years in football (Tried to in Basketball). Also always remember....
We are clearly getting lapped by the competition like it or not people... the ship isn’t going to right itself without all hands on deck reporting to a single voice in charge
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