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re: Can We Talk About the Officiating?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:12 pm to AUCE05
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:12 pm to AUCE05
quote:I'm sure this sounds good in your head. I've already said that shitty calls are happening to everyone. There's no 'loser complains about the refs..." here. It is bad for everyone.
Officiating is typically only noticeable when you don't have the talent to compete vs your competitors.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:54 pm to AUCE05
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Officiating is typically only noticeable when you don't have the talent to compete vs your competitors.
Exactly ....
PAC10 stinks the place up as well......Trying keeping your eyes off of USC Cheerleaders in Sweaters ...
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:40 pm to bluedragon
Anyone see this OT with UTk. Tenn player definitely scores before the whistle but says that progress was stopped prior to reaching the football over the goal line.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:42 pm to CorchJay
I thought I was pissed over our bad call.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:42 pm to CorchJay
Yeah that was pure shite. Tennessee just got hosed and lost because of it 
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:44 pm to HailToTheChiz
Where's the fricking mustard?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:46 pm to CorchJay
I expected something for sure
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:00 pm to HailToTheChiz
Corch.
As a Coach (you) and as Quarterbacks, you and I both know the whistle doesn't kill the ball. As an Official, invited to the SEC and ACC to be evaluated, I see this as blown all the way. In this case the runner is still driving and not down, a whistle should not have been blown.
The Line Judge anticipated and blew the call. In this game anticipation will bite you in the butt every time.
He is closing, arms waving overhead to stop the clock before the ball is extended across the goal line ....poor call.
But something everyone has missed. Something seldom called.....#88 Tennessee is clearly up field, turns and tries to drag the runner into the endzone ...a clear violation. You can push, you cannot pull. Doesn't matter ...The line judge had already screwed up.
As a Coach (you) and as Quarterbacks, you and I both know the whistle doesn't kill the ball. As an Official, invited to the SEC and ACC to be evaluated, I see this as blown all the way. In this case the runner is still driving and not down, a whistle should not have been blown.
The Line Judge anticipated and blew the call. In this game anticipation will bite you in the butt every time.
He is closing, arms waving overhead to stop the clock before the ball is extended across the goal line ....poor call.
But something everyone has missed. Something seldom called.....#88 Tennessee is clearly up field, turns and tries to drag the runner into the endzone ...a clear violation. You can push, you cannot pull. Doesn't matter ...The line judge had already screwed up.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:19 pm to bluedragon
As a coach I would rather the players decide the game on the field instead of an umpire or official.
As a coach if I can scheme something that put me at an advantage within the rules I will do it.
Yes #88 was pulling but that hasn't been called all year nor did they used to call the push.
Like you said he was moving toward the spot but the play isn't over with until the whistle unless I'm mistaking. We benefited earlier in the year on a stopped forward progress fumble/late whistle. That was bad and maybe even the right call but the call tonight decided the game and then got upheld even on review.
As a coach if I can scheme something that put me at an advantage within the rules I will do it.
Yes #88 was pulling but that hasn't been called all year nor did they used to call the push.
Like you said he was moving toward the spot but the play isn't over with until the whistle unless I'm mistaking. We benefited earlier in the year on a stopped forward progress fumble/late whistle. That was bad and maybe even the right call but the call tonight decided the game and then got upheld even on review.
Posted on 12/31/21 at 7:24 am to CorchJay
This is how it panned out .... and I agree with everything you said.
A live ball becomes dead by rule. That is a given. However, note mechanics and positions and actions during the play.
Line Judge is off the field in "No man's land" at the snap.
His initial move at the snap is two steps to the goal line. Still off the field and now behind the pylon.
This is the short side of the field.
He has to be there, it's called officiating goal line out.
This is the actual sequence
Handoff, Line Judge is now at the goal line.
Line Judge determines that in his opinion, forward progress has stopped. Then and only then does he leave the pylon.
Dead Ball
Gap (human reaction time)
Blow whistle
He shows in the frame. He's now at the two again and closing to mark the spot. Starts his signal
Gap (Human reaction time)
Signal to stop.
The only whistles heard are mirror whistles.
Notice the time frame......The ball (in his opinion) is dead before he leaves the pylon. It has to be dead to leave the pylon. Takes seconds ......
He anticipated and got bit in the butt. Runner is on top of a defender, 88 lost his grip. ball extended TD.
Whistles don't end the play and signals don't end the play ...Live ball dead by rule ends the play.
The only whistles you hear are as I stated. Mirror whistles ....not the original.
Simply put as we all agree. He screwed up.
A live ball becomes dead by rule. That is a given. However, note mechanics and positions and actions during the play.
Line Judge is off the field in "No man's land" at the snap.
His initial move at the snap is two steps to the goal line. Still off the field and now behind the pylon.
This is the short side of the field.
He has to be there, it's called officiating goal line out.
This is the actual sequence
Handoff, Line Judge is now at the goal line.
Line Judge determines that in his opinion, forward progress has stopped. Then and only then does he leave the pylon.
Dead Ball
Gap (human reaction time)
Blow whistle
He shows in the frame. He's now at the two again and closing to mark the spot. Starts his signal
Gap (Human reaction time)
Signal to stop.
The only whistles heard are mirror whistles.
Notice the time frame......The ball (in his opinion) is dead before he leaves the pylon. It has to be dead to leave the pylon. Takes seconds ......
He anticipated and got bit in the butt. Runner is on top of a defender, 88 lost his grip. ball extended TD.
Whistles don't end the play and signals don't end the play ...Live ball dead by rule ends the play.
The only whistles you hear are as I stated. Mirror whistles ....not the original.
Simply put as we all agree. He screwed up.
Posted on 12/31/21 at 11:07 am to bluedragon
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Signal to stop.
The only whistles heard are mirror whistles.
Notice the time frame......The ball (in his opinion) is dead before he leaves the pylon. It has to be dead to leave the pylon. Takes seconds ......
He anticipated and got bit in the butt. Runner is on top of a defender, 88 lost his grip. ball extended TD.
Whistles don't end the play and signals don't end the play ...Live ball dead by rule ends the play.
The only whistles you hear are as I stated. Mirror whistles ....not the original.
Simply put as we all agree. He screwed up.
The only problem I had with your detail and your opinion, is this...
Tegardless if the RB is on top of the defender, if the RB's progress is stopped the refree has, in his judgement, to call progress stopped.
Just bc he's on top of a player and not down, doesn't mean his progress is not stopped.
We have seen many plays where a runner never goes down, but his progress is stopped bc the defender is not allowing him to move forwards.
The same can apply at the goal line, IMO. I thought the defender had done a very good job of not letting the RB to progress forward.
I will have to go back and see the play again in real time AND slow mo to see how many secs were runoff, when the side ref starts to wave his arms moving forward, as he thinks the plays' progress is stopped.
Posted on 12/31/21 at 3:34 pm to AuSteeler
The LJ is off the field. There is a band that circles the field. The only people in that band wear striped shirts. You don’t see the LJ move to the goal line first. Because he’s out of the picture.
When LJ, still unseen, leaves the pylon, he has already declared forward progress stopped. He is now running at an angle away from the goal line to his spot where the ball is dead. When he starts away from the pylon he blows his whistle. He appears in the screen to mark the spot and signal clock stopped.
Everything after his whistle is disregarded. The whistles you hear are mirror whistles telling everyone, ball dead, stopping beating on one another.
Read the sequence once again.
Dead ball
Gap
Whistle
Gap
Stop signal.
It’s almost bang bang
Again, the ball is dead before the LJ leaves the pylon. Landing on a defender is meaningless. Before the LJ leaves the pylon, he has judged the ball dead at the two, his spot.
Coach and I agree. The LJ took the game out of the player’s hands. Bad call.
When LJ, still unseen, leaves the pylon, he has already declared forward progress stopped. He is now running at an angle away from the goal line to his spot where the ball is dead. When he starts away from the pylon he blows his whistle. He appears in the screen to mark the spot and signal clock stopped.
Everything after his whistle is disregarded. The whistles you hear are mirror whistles telling everyone, ball dead, stopping beating on one another.
Read the sequence once again.
Dead ball
Gap
Whistle
Gap
Stop signal.
It’s almost bang bang
Again, the ball is dead before the LJ leaves the pylon. Landing on a defender is meaningless. Before the LJ leaves the pylon, he has judged the ball dead at the two, his spot.
Coach and I agree. The LJ took the game out of the player’s hands. Bad call.
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