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re: Auburn football head coach search thread?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:15 pm to Poker Dough
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:15 pm to Poker Dough
He knows South Florida very well. Once the Sun Belt recruiter of the year as well.
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Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:16 pm to Poker Dough
He was named recruiter of the year in his conference some years ago. Worked with Cristobal in the past. Has ties to high profile high schools in Florida. But I doubt you care about any of that since it doesn't fit your unrealistic expectations.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:16 pm to FearlessFreep
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The last 'home run' coordinator hire was when we stole a Broyles Award-winning DC from a rival SEC school just four years removed from an NC.
Bill Oliver was a helluva DC, though. I don't think anyone in the coaching business disputed that. Muschamp, for instance, is an Oliver disciple.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:17 pm to jangalang
Fantastic, maybe we can land some Sun Belt level kids. Sun Belt recruiting is probably different than SEC recruiting
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:18 pm to Poker Dough
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Fantastic, maybe we can land some Sun Belt level kids.
okay
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:20 pm to jangalang
Aside from the irrational panic takes, Ponce is an interesting candidate. Offensive philosophy is a great fit, comes from the Scott Satterfield tree. App's offense has performed really well under him. The playbook looks very diverse from the games I've watched, and his playcalling seems solid. Good run game. Not my first choice but he would be a good fit for what Harsin wants to do.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:20 pm to jangalang
Keep convincing yourselves accolades from the Sun Belt mean shite so you can call the OC search and hire successful
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:23 pm to Poker Dough
Y’all stop biting on Poker’s takes. He’s not going to agree no matter what we say! Let the man be
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:24 pm to AUEE13
Here is the reality that some of you need to realize:
In today's coaching realm, "big time" OC's want to work for DEFENSIVE MINDED head coaches so that they have full autonomy over the offense. This is why Jeff Grimes went to work for Kalani Sitake at BYU, and then Dave Aranda at Baylor (and why it doesn't make much sense for him to come here). This is also the big driving force behind Jeff Lebby leaving Kiffin to go work for Venables at Oklahoma. It's why it doesn't make any sense for Joe Brady to come here when he can easily find a job where the offense is all his.
When the HC is a defensive minded coach, there is never any confusion as to who deserves the credit for any offensive success. Furthermore, there is less likelihood of meddling from the HC (like what happened during Malzahn's entire tenure here).
With Bryan Harsin as the HC here, the offensive will forever and always be HIS offense. He's not going to allow anyone to come in here any just do whatever they want offensively. At most, there is going to be an understanding that the OC can make additions or "morph" the pre-existing offense, but that's it. When Kittley's name popped up, I saw people talking as if he'd bring the Air Raid here. That's insane - even if he was hired, he would be running some VARIATION of Harsin's offense.
Most "big time" OC's want to progress their career and become HC's themselves. It's easier to sell yourself and your ability if there is no question as to who deserves the credit for offensive success. This is why when you look at coaching staffs around the country, the teams that have offensive minded HC's more often than not have young or "underling" OC's. You might see a few retreads like Mike Bobo where we got him by paying him a lot of money and allowing him to get the hell away from South Carolina, but how many cases can you find where you have a "big name OC" butting heads and sharing the spotlight with an offensive mined HC?
It's why suggestions like Dan Mullen were always stupid. Why would Dan Mullen want to come here and have Bryan Harsin dictating what he can or can't do? When he could theoretically find a job where the HC is a defensive guy, and will let him control the offense entirely?
In today's coaching realm, "big time" OC's want to work for DEFENSIVE MINDED head coaches so that they have full autonomy over the offense. This is why Jeff Grimes went to work for Kalani Sitake at BYU, and then Dave Aranda at Baylor (and why it doesn't make much sense for him to come here). This is also the big driving force behind Jeff Lebby leaving Kiffin to go work for Venables at Oklahoma. It's why it doesn't make any sense for Joe Brady to come here when he can easily find a job where the offense is all his.
When the HC is a defensive minded coach, there is never any confusion as to who deserves the credit for any offensive success. Furthermore, there is less likelihood of meddling from the HC (like what happened during Malzahn's entire tenure here).
With Bryan Harsin as the HC here, the offensive will forever and always be HIS offense. He's not going to allow anyone to come in here any just do whatever they want offensively. At most, there is going to be an understanding that the OC can make additions or "morph" the pre-existing offense, but that's it. When Kittley's name popped up, I saw people talking as if he'd bring the Air Raid here. That's insane - even if he was hired, he would be running some VARIATION of Harsin's offense.
Most "big time" OC's want to progress their career and become HC's themselves. It's easier to sell yourself and your ability if there is no question as to who deserves the credit for offensive success. This is why when you look at coaching staffs around the country, the teams that have offensive minded HC's more often than not have young or "underling" OC's. You might see a few retreads like Mike Bobo where we got him by paying him a lot of money and allowing him to get the hell away from South Carolina, but how many cases can you find where you have a "big name OC" butting heads and sharing the spotlight with an offensive mined HC?
It's why suggestions like Dan Mullen were always stupid. Why would Dan Mullen want to come here and have Bryan Harsin dictating what he can or can't do? When he could theoretically find a job where the HC is a defensive guy, and will let him control the offense entirely?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:31 pm to metafour
Way too logical and thought-out for this thread.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:32 pm to AUEE13
Cory Raymond to Florida.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:34 pm to metafour
So what you're saying is hiring Harsin was a mistake?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:36 pm to metafour
Very well said
And in order for an OC or DC to be considered a “guru” they are almost always control freaks
I also think that most people fail to realize that coaching relationships HAVE to be “good fit(s)” just as players have to be. It’s not always about the “gurus” or 5 stars.
And in order for an OC or DC to be considered a “guru” they are almost always control freaks
I also think that most people fail to realize that coaching relationships HAVE to be “good fit(s)” just as players have to be. It’s not always about the “gurus” or 5 stars.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:42 pm to metafour
We have someone who as has been pointed out, is a strong playcaller himself. He has several of his guys on staff to help implement what he wants and needs done. Why not bring in a strong recruiter for the role? Have Co OCs? I'm still on board with Harsin but want someone who is a proven recruiter. My opinion that isn't someone from App State
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:42 pm to jangalang
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Cory Raymond to Florida.
Nice hire by Napier. He’s brought in some stud CBs at L2U.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:47 pm to jvilletiger25
Jville, who is this Poker guy? He reminds me of a lot dumber you.
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Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:47 pm to Poker Dough
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Why not bring in a strong recruiter for the role?
Bro, we have NIL. In this day and age of CFB, the $$$ does the recruiting.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:48 pm to jangalang
Funny. This is really the first person I've been critical isn't it douchebag?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:49 pm to AUstar
Bro tell me where our NIL compares to Texas OL making 200k each?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:49 pm to jangalang
Don’t be a blzr bro. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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