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re: AU BBall Thread : Trainwrecked at 18-14
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:24 am to jangalang
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:24 am to jangalang
Dont tweet something like this
Then 3 days later moan on Twitter about fans being mean. I get how frustrating it must be to read negative stuff about you but unfortunately that's part of the deal with being a D1 athlete and even more so if he wants to play in the NBA. Team needs to stop worrying so much about what people are saying on Twitter and more about showing up to play each and every single game
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I got some for you Alabama fans here you go??????
Then 3 days later moan on Twitter about fans being mean. I get how frustrating it must be to read negative stuff about you but unfortunately that's part of the deal with being a D1 athlete and even more so if he wants to play in the NBA. Team needs to stop worrying so much about what people are saying on Twitter and more about showing up to play each and every single game
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:56 am to TigerPaw1
Purifoy got 2% of the amount of negative tweets that someone like Sean White or JF3 gets yet you don't see them complaining on a Sunday after a game
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:13 am to Rig
We have several players that like to whine and complain when things don't go well, instead of doing something about it. I'm not surprised at all that we get blown out sometimes. Some of our players need to grow up.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:21 am to Rig
If he is still limited because of his injury, I can understand the frustration.
The criticisms though were there pre injury, he just played well enough in other facets of the game to be offset by the praise
The criticisms though were there pre injury, he just played well enough in other facets of the game to be offset by the praise
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:41 am to TigerPaw1
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Then 3 days later moan on Twitter about fans being mean. I get how frustrating it must be to read negative stuff about you but unfortunately that's part of the deal with being a D1 athlete and even more so if he wants to play in the NBA. Team needs to stop worrying so much about what people are saying on Twitter and more about showing up to play each and every single game
Has anyone found these tweets? I'm still of the mind that he's full of it. If he's crying about a few DM's or something, it makes him look even worse. There's no proof. Just whining like a moron about a weak level of criticism after that embarrassment of a performance instead of shutting up and self-reflecting. How is it possible that Heron, Purifoy, Brown, and Lang don't understand why they would be getting criticism for not improving?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:48 am to TigerPaw1
Bunch of spoiled players with no discipline / accountability. You think Frank Martin's kids whine like this?
We got our arse kicked by a real team and our kids are looking for someone to blame.
We got our arse kicked by a real team and our kids are looking for someone to blame.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:07 am to AUtigR24
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no discipline / accountability. You think Frank Martin's kids whine like this?
Frank Martin's teams focus on playing a defined and inflexible system. It results in discipline but the tradeoff is a lack of creativity and the ability to adapt offensively.
Bruce's modified flex offense + transition O is all about giving players freedom to adapt to the defensive looks. That creativity/freedom allows for explosion with the tradeoff of allowing players to make bad decisions
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:11 am to AUtigR24
I'm probably going to receive a lot of down votes for this post, but there is an incredible amount of whining going on in this thread, to be giving our players a hard time for whining.
The team is young, cut them some slack. Sure I agree that looking at a few people's post and taking it out on an entire fan base, isn't the right move. The team should be focusing on what they can do to get better, but I don't know where the sense of entitlement comes from the fans. We haven't had a good basketball team in over decade, and these are some of the best players we have ever recruited to play here and we chose to bash them for some bad games their first year here.
Maybe the expectations aren't that fair. How do I know the players aren't practicing extremely hard, and putting in long days, and it just takes more than a few months (or even a few years) for everything to click.
And for everyone that is so impressed with Frank Martin, he is in what, year 5 now? And still hasn't made the post season yet. And we got shredded by 3 Seniors and Sophomore last night. We are regularly playing 5 freshman.
We could still get to 20 wins this seasons with an SEC tournament win or two. That is something that has happened twice since 2000. And that is with primarily all our best players being freshman. I just can't get that mad.
The team is young, cut them some slack. Sure I agree that looking at a few people's post and taking it out on an entire fan base, isn't the right move. The team should be focusing on what they can do to get better, but I don't know where the sense of entitlement comes from the fans. We haven't had a good basketball team in over decade, and these are some of the best players we have ever recruited to play here and we chose to bash them for some bad games their first year here.
Maybe the expectations aren't that fair. How do I know the players aren't practicing extremely hard, and putting in long days, and it just takes more than a few months (or even a few years) for everything to click.
And for everyone that is so impressed with Frank Martin, he is in what, year 5 now? And still hasn't made the post season yet. And we got shredded by 3 Seniors and Sophomore last night. We are regularly playing 5 freshman.
We could still get to 20 wins this seasons with an SEC tournament win or two. That is something that has happened twice since 2000. And that is with primarily all our best players being freshman. I just can't get that mad.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:19 am to ATLtiger12
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to be giving our players a hard time for whining.
I think people are going to have to realize that the generation of twitter athletes has arrived and this will be a constant thing
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so impressed with Frank Martin
People are impressed with a team that runs their system.
There is no way Bruce has won 501 games in his career with a system that does not pass, does not box out and players who show no effort.
The criticism is that our players clearly refuse consistently buy in and play in the system. It is a youth/maturity thing, but after all these blowouts they should realize this garbage ball isn't working
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:37 am to ATLtiger12
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The team is young, cut them some slack. Sure I agree that looking at a few people's post and taking it out on an entire fan base, isn't the right move. The team should be focusing on what they can do to get better, but I don't know where the sense of entitlement comes from the fans. We haven't had a good basketball team in over decade, and these are some of the best players we have ever recruited to play here and we chose to bash them for some bad games their first year here.
We're fans. It's what fans do. We're not on the front lines. We talk on message boards. Some moronic young fans personally complain directly to players. I've been an Auburn and UAB basketball fan before the dudes on this team were born, so for me it's just wanting to see good basketball. Their attitudes don't cut it. I guess you could blame social media/lack of culture, but it doesn't excuse everything. You take minutes away from McLemore, score 0, pick up 1 rebound, commit two turnovers, and fail to guard Thornwell on the perimeter countless times, is it wrong to expect him to shut up and hold himself accountable?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:49 am to ATLtiger12
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And for everyone that is so impressed with Frank Martin, he is in what, year 5 now? And still hasn't made the post season yet. And we got shredded by 3 Seniors and Sophomore last night. We are regularly playing 5 freshman.
I could care less about Ws and Ls right now. It's not to much of us fans to ask for a team that looks competent especially when you're making millions of dollars and have a ton of talent to work with.
Rebound
Defend
Don't turn the ball over
Shoot a decent percentage
We don't do any of the above things well despite having a ton of talent (more than most) and one of the "better" coaches in the nation.
If we're going to be a 18 win team I rather do it with a coach that will instill fundamentals / discipline and at least give us a good product to watch / root for.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:53 am to jsmoove
Nope, that isn't unreasonable at all. From that stand point I agree. I hope that any of the players mad at the fans, look at some of these disappointing losses, and get mad about that, and use it to fuel them to get better.
I guess from the overall perspective of the team, I just not that mad about where we are right now, although it's extremely frustrating to watch them play sometimes. I guess with a coach that has been as successful as Pearl has been, in this conference nonetheless, and as much talent as we currently have, I expect that it will eventually all come together. It just might not happen as quickly as we want it to.
I guess from the overall perspective of the team, I just not that mad about where we are right now, although it's extremely frustrating to watch them play sometimes. I guess with a coach that has been as successful as Pearl has been, in this conference nonetheless, and as much talent as we currently have, I expect that it will eventually all come together. It just might not happen as quickly as we want it to.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:12 am to ATLtiger12
I agree with most of your post. The people here constantly harping on fundamentals need to realize that this is the first that a lot of these guys are being taught fundamentals. They could dominate a lower level of competition in HS and AAU was nothing but an offensive showcase. For the most part, high school and AAU coaching is non existent. I expected us to have some good performances at home and horrible ones on the road. Road blowouts have happened enough to this point for these guys to start showing some maturity though.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:51 am to Smoke7024
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They could dominate a lower level of competition in HS and AAU was nothing but an individual effort offensive showcase
FIFY.
It's why Heron refuses to do anything but square up on the defender and drive the lane if he doesn't shoot a contested 3
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:08 pm to GenesChin
You guys know that our guys aren't the only kids in NCAA that played AAU ball right?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:17 pm to AUtigR24
2012–13 South Carolina 14–18 4–14 T–12th
2013–14 South Carolina 14–20 5–13 13th
2014–15 South Carolina 17–16 6–12 T–11th
2015–16 South Carolina 25–9 11–7 T–3rd NIT Second Round
2016–17 South Carolina 15–4 5–1 2nd
^^Frank Martin at USCe. It takes a while to rebuild a program that was in the shape Auburn and USCe were in.
For comparison here is Pearl at AU.
2014–15 Auburn 15–20 4–14 13th
2015–16 Auburn 11–20 5–13 13th
2016–17 Auburn 13–6 3–4
2013–14 South Carolina 14–20 5–13 13th
2014–15 South Carolina 17–16 6–12 T–11th
2015–16 South Carolina 25–9 11–7 T–3rd NIT Second Round
2016–17 South Carolina 15–4 5–1 2nd
^^Frank Martin at USCe. It takes a while to rebuild a program that was in the shape Auburn and USCe were in.
For comparison here is Pearl at AU.
2014–15 Auburn 15–20 4–14 13th
2015–16 Auburn 11–20 5–13 13th
2016–17 Auburn 13–6 3–4
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:44 pm to AUtigR24
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You guys know that our guys aren't the only kids in NCAA that played AAU ball right?
No one in the SEC plays a roster that is as close to AAU ball as AU players are. We are #329 nationally in avg experience and #307 in minute continuity
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:08 pm to AUtigR24
We're also one of the youngest teams in CBB.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:02 pm to Smoke7024
To help people understand just how young we are, I looked up the KenPom stats on Avg. Experience + Minutes Continuity
Definitions
Avg Experience - The experience value is in terms of years of college experience using eligibility class (FR = 0, SO=2, JR =3, SR =4 e.g Dunans = 3). The experience calculation weights the experience of each player on the roster based on minutes played
Minutes Continuity- determining what percentage of a team’s minutes are played by the same player from last season to this season
AU Rankings
Avg Exp - 1.07 Years #329
Continuity - 33.2% #307
Definitions
Avg Experience - The experience value is in terms of years of college experience using eligibility class (FR = 0, SO=2, JR =3, SR =4 e.g Dunans = 3). The experience calculation weights the experience of each player on the roster based on minutes played
Minutes Continuity- determining what percentage of a team’s minutes are played by the same player from last season to this season
AU Rankings
Avg Exp - 1.07 Years #329
Continuity - 33.2% #307
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:37 am to GenesChin
These young guys are used to taking breaks on defense and then giving spirts of effort when they are on ball defenders. Because of it we, Purifoy and Herron specifically, are lazy on defense and are late to contest shots, close out, or help.
These guys have always been athletic and gifted enough to get by like that. The sooner they understand the level of effort they need to give defensively, the sooner this team will realize it's potential.
While there are some issues offensively with shot selection, ball movement and turnovers, I think those issues pale in comparison to the defensive issues.
These guys have always been athletic and gifted enough to get by like that. The sooner they understand the level of effort they need to give defensively, the sooner this team will realize it's potential.
While there are some issues offensively with shot selection, ball movement and turnovers, I think those issues pale in comparison to the defensive issues.
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 11:38 am
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