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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:21 pm to
Posted by borotiger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:21 pm to
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but otherwise is the same guy


You so want this to be the case because nothing reported out of camp has implied hin being "the same guy".
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:29 pm to
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You so want this to be the case because nothing reported out of camp has implied hin being "the same guy".



Almost every accolade is about knowing the playbook, mastering the offense, doing the little things the coaches drill into their heads.

Which is all meritorious

But I haven't heard anything about increased quickness/agility/decision making, have you?

You can make this into some petty argument if you want, but they brought Calzada in because he had a record of some success in the SEC, where as TJ has none within the last 20 months. Having TJ win the competition by working hard to master the O and having his more talented competition not materialize is not a good outcome and I don't think there is a way to spin that.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:35 pm to
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Having TJ win the competition by working hard to master the O and having his more talented competition not materialize is not a good outcome and I don't think there is a way to spin that.

That’s quite the spin within itself. As for Calzada he beat Bama and did nothing else notable for the rest of the year.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:40 pm to
From Bryan Matthews:

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AUBURN | Eric Kiesau is not quite ready to name a starting quarterback but it sure sounds like Auburn’s first-year offensive coordinator is getting close.

For a second consecutive scrimmage, it was junior T.J. Finley that earned the most praise as he competes with Oregon transfer Robby Ashford and Texas A&M transfer Zach Calzada.

“He's kind of tabbed as the older player because he was in the system last year. So he just has a different command. He has a different confidence about him when he's in that huddle or when he's at the line of scrimmage, running the play,” said Kiesau.

I'm excited about T.J. T.J. has a lot of ability. He's a smart football player. Football is important to him. I think you'll kind of see that on Saturdays.”

Kiesau says he needs to review the film from Friday afternoon’s situational scrimmage at Jordan-Hare Stadium, which included red zone and being backed up near your own end zone.

“It’s going to be a hard one, I can tell you that right now,” said Kiesau. “They’ve all kinda played really well and we’ve gotta see who’s going to step out in front a little bit after tonight.”

Kiesau made sure all three quarterbacks had close to equal reps with the first, second and third-team offenses. And was willing to give his gut feeling on the race just minutes after the scrimmage wrapped up.

My feel, my gut — just without watching it, just from calling the game — was just T.J had a really good command. He had a lot of precision. He checked some plays for us and got us in the right play, which is good,” he said. “Robby, obviously Robby is flashy. He can run around. He is really — and I'm speaking for all of camp, but obviously today, it materialized a little bit — he's doing a better job maturing in the position. He's really athletic. He can really run. But he's starting to play the quarterback position, which is important.

“And then Zach, we've got to keep bringing him along. He's kind of been, like I said, intertwined with all these groups — first, second and third groups and first, second and third teams. He has good days and bad days. We've got to kind of keep him consistent as we go through. And I think that's kind of the push for all these quarterbacks, getting ready to move into Mercer.”

Auburn will practice Saturday morning in Jordan-Hare.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:48 pm to
Pettifogger there have been reports of good “runs” by TJ in practices. Moving around in the pocket and also better command of the offense.

Maybe TJ has improved in this offense and getting the checks right is a big thing. It could be something as simple as that. If you can’t check out of a bad play you use more time outs you have more failed plays and that causes you to be in 3rd and 7 instead of 3rd and 3.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:50 pm to
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That’s quite the spin within itself. As for Calzada he beat Bama and did nothing else notable for the rest of the year.



He has a full season as a serviceable SEC QB in the most difficult division in college football. So no, it's not spin. I have no loyalty to Calzada but there was ample reason to think he'd be a reasonable replacement for Nix that would allow us to continue on with little drop off.

You guys can contort all you want to avoid the reality that Calzada and Robbie were brought in to displace a guy who hadn't performed at two different SEC schools and Calzada, the assumed starter, has failed to live up to his end. But it's still the reality no matter how harsh you think it may be to say it out loud.
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:52 pm to
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and having his more talented competition


There it is. You have no clue who is more talented. Emotion based decision making at its finest.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:55 pm to
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He has a full season as a serviceable SEC QB in the most difficult division in college football. So no, it's not spin. I have no loyalty to Calzada but there was ample reason to think he'd be a reasonable replacement for Nix that would allow us to continue on with little drop off.

There has been plenty of drop off. Look at the stats. The completion percentage, the turnovers, conference play stats etcetera etcetera. You’ve been in denial way too long.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:57 pm to
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There it is. You have no clue who is more talented. Emotion based decision making at its finest.



I don't know what "emotion based decision making" is. I'm not making decisions and I certainly hope the staff isn't making them based on emotion.

I think most would say that based on the resumes Calzada has the better record of game performance, the bigger arm and more mobility/agility.

If you want to say those things don't necessarily determine who is more talented, I'm not going to fight you on it. Perhaps you'd agree that by most accounts Calzada is more "dynamic" and if so, feel free to insert that instead.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:00 pm to
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I think most would say that based on the resumes Calzada has the better record of game performance, the bigger arm and more mobility/agility.

You’re comparing midgets dude. Lol. They both literally had negative rushing yards for the season last year.

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If you want to say those things don't necessarily determine who is more talented, I'm not going to fight you on it. Perhaps you'd agree that by most accounts Calzada is more "dynamic" and if so, feel free to insert that instead.

I’m not even sure Calzada was more dynamic. He just had a better team last year.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:01 pm to
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There has been plenty of drop off. Look at the stats. The completion percentage, the turnovers, conference play stats etcetera etcetera. You’ve been in denial way too long.



I'm not sure what you're saying here. Calzada played more or less competitively in the SECW for a full season, including some solid performances against big programs. I've never claimed Calzada was an equal to Nix if that's what you're hung up on.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:02 pm to
I don’t care who wins the job all I care about is who wins games.

I thought Calzada would win the job. I can’t speak to if he has underperformed, still recovering from injury, or just got beat in the competition.

It definitely sounds like Ashford is 2 right now with TJ 1. I would think starting tomorrow you get a couple days probably Saturday and Sunday for Robby to try to close the gap then you have to move on Tuesday with whoever is the 1. Let the 1’s start working together to get timing and everything else down. So tomorrow and Sunday are huge practices for Robby and all the close competitions on the depth chart
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:04 pm to
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I don't know what "emotion based decision making" is.


It's what you're doing.

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by most accounts 


I've seen nothing that says Calzada is dynamic, let alone more dynamic than Finley.

Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:04 pm to
I’m not sure if Brahms will play this season trying to read between the lines.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:07 pm to
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including some solid performances against big programs.

Bama and who? If you say LSU look at who was out that week. Nearly the whole starting lineup from the season opener on both sides. If you say Auburn he didn’t even lead the first TD drive at home.
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I've never claimed Calzada was an equal to Nix if that's what you're hung up on.

I know this.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:07 pm to
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I don’t care who wins the job all I care about is who wins games.



I think that's true for almost everyone. I would be surprised if anyone has enough loyalty to Calzada or TJ to really care - I'm not really sure where it would come from. Even those who doubt TJ, like me, think he's a very good kid who has worked really hard and think it would be a great story if he could take the job and run with it.

I do think there are some Nix loyalists who are annoyed that people thought Calzada would be a better version of Nix and thus are relishing in his failure to show up this fall.

One thing that will be intriguing if TJ wins it is to have the data of year to year development under this staff (or parts of it).
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:09 pm to
Come on dude, it's caveats for everything, and I doubt you'd do the same for Nix performances or Finley's meager record. He's got the best SEC record on the roster by a wide margin. Is that saying much? Not really. But it's what we've got.

So if you're not going with that guy, I'm not sure how you can fault those of us who aren't thrilled about it.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:11 pm to
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It's what you're doing.



Ok

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I've seen nothing that says Calzada is dynamic, let alone more dynamic than Finley.



Ok
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:15 pm to
If people want to be optimistic about Finley, that’s fine, but it’s not based on any on-field performance from him to date.

I hope Finley has massively improved, but I have no reason to believe we have anything better than the 6th best QB in the SEC west at best (and only because J. Dart at Ole Miss is unproven).
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51797 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:30 pm to
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and I doubt you'd do the same for Nix performances

You obviously think you know me but you don’t know me very well. I am shocked Calzada is where he is at and not enthused TJ is the guy but they were both mediocre from the beginning. Before Calzada was even on Auburn’s radar I suggested let’s put Calzada on Auburn’s transfer portal watchlist and Jones said “please no.” Later on he took clues to be a posibarner little Auburn fan but please don’t act like you were happy with this pick. He probably could’ve been a third string guy at A&M this year
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 7:52 pm
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