re: 15-16 AU Hoops Season Thread 11-20 (5-13) {we beat UK} Disaster over

I am really disappointed in Bowers. I thought with the weight he dropped he would be a bit quicker and a better defender. I also thought it would help him with moves in the paint on offense. His moves on offense are better he is able to get to the bucket, however he does not use the glass worth a shite. When he goes to the bucket the ball is way to low on the glass. Spencer also has the same problem with his shots doesn't use the glass well in the paint, but he plays way better D than Bowers.

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I am really disappointed in Bowers. I thought with the weight he dropped he would be a bit quicker and a better defender. I also thought it would help him with moves in the paint on offense. His moves on offense are better he is able to get to the bucket, however he does not use the glass worth a shite. When he goes to the bucket the ball is way to low on the glass. Spencer also has the same problem with his shots doesn't use the glass well in the paint, but he plays way better D than Bowers.

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Bowers just plays out of control. His biggest issue is between his ears. He gets too worked up & rushes shots. If he would settle down & go up with more composure he could be a solid 8-10 pt guy. The good news is unlike last season we don't need him to be the man. Tyler Harris is our low post scoring threat & Spencer is the rim defender/rebound guy. If we can get Bowers to stop turning the ball over & just be help clean up the boards & put in the easy ones that would go a long way for this season. Problem is I just don't think mentally he is capable to being that type of player

Oh, I didn't mean for that to say he has Tim Duncan potential, I meant for it to be a comparison to #40. I think he could be AU's #40 so to speak (does all aspects well).

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Bowers' game is no longer out of control like it used to be. His drives look like a big TJ Dunans. Difference is Dunans has touch around the rim compared to Bowers

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If he shot 70% from the line, he'd still average 16pts and 10 rebs

That's solid for a 6'6" Power Forward

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Horace Spencer as a Draymond Green type player from Golden St. Super athlete who develops to where he can "out athlete" the competition.

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This would be great too.

Being as athletic as he is, the sky is the limit for him. It's going to boil down to him putting in the time and work to improve on the little things.

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His shot blocking ability is very refined if you ask me

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Horace Spencer is showing a knack & potential for shot blocking but it isn't refined. He needs to work on a more vertical swat as evidenced by his fouls when swatting at guys.



The bigger point though is that Spencer is extremely raw in other areas of his game. When you watch #40 Josh Scott or Tim Duncan (original comparison) play, they win through expert usage of fundamentals and learned skill moves. Right now, Horace Spencer is making awesome plays like put back dunks, rebounds blocks because he is a monster athlete

Well, Josh Scott is a Senior and Duncan is a HOF NBA player.

Spencer is a Freahman. He has a lot of time to develop.

Edit: I don't think anyone is saying that Spencer is Duncan or Scott right now. It's his potential to develop into that kind of player because he is such a good athlete. I may be wrong, but developing fundamentals seems a lot more likely than developing athleticism.

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I don't think anyone is saying that Spencer is Duncan or Scott right now. It's his potential to develop into that kind of player because he is such a good athlete.

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My argument is that Scott or Duncan (who actually is elite athlete) are awesome basketball players not due to athletic ability but their finesse and fundamentals in the post position skills.


Compare extremes like Shaq vs Tim Duncan
Duncan is an all around guy who wins by using one of his zillion moves/skills against you
Shaq is an absolute freak athlete who leverages his athleticism to become an unstoppable force.



I'm saying that Horace Spencer is an elite athlete. His elite athleticism makes him more likely to learn how to leverage athletic ability into high level play than to learn finesse moves

Ben Wallace would be a better comparison for Horrace Spencer. Draymond Green has guard skills in a 6'8 body. Green did it all for MSU. He was a 3 point shooter he was a dribble drive guy and a low post player.

Horrace will be more like Ben Wallace. Excellent shot blocker and able to catch lobs around the rim. Love his energy.

I really like Ben Wallace comparison for defense. I think he can be a lot more on offense though. With Wallace teams basically we're playing with 4 on O


I was looking more NBA D Green. He is responsible with the ball and can play O outside paint if necessary