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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:32 pm to jangalang
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:32 pm to jangalang
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That kind of mentality is counter intuitive to basketball itself
How is it counter intuitive to basketball?
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Stephen Curry for one is making it look easy so everybody wants to shoot threes instead of actually learning the game.
Stephen Curry, Buddy Hield and guys like them shoot 3s and are high % finishers around the rim. "Your game" as you see it loses to players like that.
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:33 pm to GenesChin
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Essentially, why force an explosive athlete with a lightning-quick first step to stop on a dime instead of attacking the rim?
Yeah it might be more advantageous for an athlete/shooter like Buddy Hield to attack rather than pull up.
However, there aren't many shooters and finishers like Buddy in the college game. He's more of an anomaly. Bryce Brown doesn't have the length or skill (right now) to finish like Buddy, so he should pull up instead.
Now you could argue to just attack the rim as much as possible due to the likelihood of a could being called in today's game. I could see that.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:36 pm to GenesChin
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In what world do you live in that people hit 50+% from midrange consistently?
With practice, hitting 3pt shots at 33% isn't difficult. To hit midrange jumpers at 50%+ is absolutely incredible. If you can hit 55%+ from midrange, you actually should be shooting midrange jumpers.
My world. I'm a decent three point shooter but I am far more likely to hit a higher percentage of midrange shots than threes.
Don't take offense but I take it you never played much basketball?
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:36 pm to GenesChin
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How is it counter intuitive to basketball?
Because you're asking an open 40% shooter on the blocks to defer to a much longer three point shot. That's counter intuitive to what everybody is taught.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:43 pm to jangalang
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Because you're asking an open 40% shooter on the blocks to defer to a much longer three point shot.
If you shoot 40% from the blocks, your expected value from your shot is 0.8 shots. As in, 25 shots = 10 baskets = 20 points. Very straight forward
If you shoot 28% from 3PT then 25 3PT = 7 baskets = 21 Points
That terrible 28% from 3pt wins against a 40% midrange only team.
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That's counter intuitive to what everybody is taught.
Then coaches need to start teaching kids you win by scoring more points, not having a higher FG%
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:46 pm to GenesChin
If only everything worked that way...
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:52 pm to jangalang
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If only everything worked that way...
It does work that way in the NBA
7/10 of the 50+ win teams in 2014-15 were in the bottom half of midrange FGs taken.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:55 pm to GenesChin
Also, what you are advocating is an unassisted midrange jumpshot. As in, Bryce Brown should drive and pull up for a midrange shot.
Here is Grantland's shot chart for unassisted vs assisted shots in the NBA. If you can't tell, black = bad aka unassisted shots anywhere midrange
Here is Grantland's shot chart for unassisted vs assisted shots in the NBA. If you can't tell, black = bad aka unassisted shots anywhere midrange
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:55 pm to GenesChin
The James Harden way is what you're advocating hahahaha
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:58 pm to GenesChin
[quote]Also, what you are advocating is an unassisted midrange jumpshot[/quote
Nope, you're wrong again. Mid range game in general is what I'm advocating. Position 1-5. I don't care.
Nope, you're wrong again. Mid range game in general is what I'm advocating. Position 1-5. I don't care.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:06 pm to jangalang
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Nope, you're wrong again. Mid range game in general is what I'm advocating. Position 1-5. I don't care.
For Auburn basketball's W/L totals, good thing you are a fan and not coaching.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:09 pm to GenesChin
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For Auburn basketball's W/L totals, good thing you are a fan and not coaching.
That was random, and weak..
Did I offend you because I want all five position players to have a mid range game?
You must be
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:11 pm to jangalang
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The James Harden way is what you're advocating hahahaha
His FG% is a bit low for my taste but he isn't too far off.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:23 pm to jangalang
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That was random, and weak.
I'm just accepting that you clearly are sold on ignoring every statistic out there and multiple on record quotes from coaches saying midrange is irrelevant.
Either way, not as weak as your posts. The usual cruddy posting style you exhibit
You resorting to saying "dumbest thing ever read"
You using a one time event as reasons why statistics are dumb
You resorting to saying "you don't know s*** about basketball" instead of any real argument
You resorting to saying I'm "squirming" since you don't have any stats to back you up
You resorting to this sweet zinger
You resorting arguing with accepted stats by saying "no it is not"
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:44 pm to GenesChin
Geneschin, your argument has more holes than Swiss cheese. Don't get so butthurt about my variety of ways telling you that. Just accept the fact that you're nothing more than a cynical mouth breather and move on. Until then, you should shoot some hoops sometime, maybe you will understand the game little better.
Edit: I never claimed "statistics is dumb." That's how far you're reaching with the arguments of yours. Stats often don't tell he whole story though. I don't need the history or the conversion rate of coaches going for it on 4th and 3 if I want to go for it on 4th and 3. At that point, the past history isn't relevant. There are new variables in my own case that make my own case unique.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:03 pm to Rig
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:33 pm to GenesChin
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His FG% is a bit low for my taste but he isn't too far off.
I see your James Harden and I will raise you a Kawhi Leonard. Excellent mid range game to go along with his slasher speed, his perimeter game, his defense, and his rebounding. In my opinion, every player, Auburn uniform or not, should strive to be as well rounded as him as possible.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:05 pm to jangalang
If we have guys who can shoot 50+% from midrange consistently (~45%+ PF/C) they can shoot their heart out. Otherwise there are better shots to be found if we pass effectively.
I do hope we are more aggressive rebounding though. I'd love to crash the offensive glass harder. Hopefully when we press we are more willing
I do hope we are more aggressive rebounding though. I'd love to crash the offensive glass harder. Hopefully when we press we are more willing
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:23 pm to The Nino
quote:Yep same.
The Nino
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:56 pm to GenesChin
You guys are dumb
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