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re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by Tigertown in ATL 
on 1/31/21 at 10:21 am to retooc
on 1/31/21 at 10:21 am to retoocI’d like it for the Falcons.
I’d hate it for Ryan. Rather see him go somewhere to have a chance at a SB.
Neither Atlanta or Chicago are it.
I’d hate it for Ryan. Rather see him go somewhere to have a chance at a SB.
Neither Atlanta or Chicago are it.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg 
on 1/31/21 at 11:37 am to Tigertown in ATL
on 1/31/21 at 11:37 am to Tigertown in ATLLOL.
Ryan is going nowhere this season due to cap constraints.
End of thread.
Ryan is going nowhere this season due to cap constraints.
End of thread.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by Tigertown in ATL on 1/31/21 at 12:13 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
on 1/31/21 at 12:13 pm to SteelerBravesDawgSince this is one of the worst Sundays of the year for sports, a little rumor discussion is good.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 1/31/21 at 12:28 pm to Tigertown in ATL
on 1/31/21 at 12:28 pm to Tigertown in ATLquote:
Since this is one of the worst Sundays of the year for sports, a little rumor discussion is good.
Aa long as the rumors are based in some fact and not wild speculation and fantasy , I'm all for it. This one(I read it) falls into the latter category. There is no situation where Matt is moved this year. Now next year is different, as the cap hit comes down a good bit.
But Matt is a Falcon in 2021. That's where this conversation on a trade w/the Bears or anyone ends.
This post was edited on 1/31 at 12:30 pm
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by retooc 
on 1/31/21 at 1:11 pm to Tigertown in ATL
on 1/31/21 at 1:11 pm to Tigertown in ATLTough Q since our coach has zero HC experience, but who is better positioned for a deep playoff run?
Bears
Falcons
Bears
Falcons
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by retooc on 1/31/21 at 1:14 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
on 1/31/21 at 1:14 pm to SteelerBravesDawgquote:
This one(I read it) falls into the latter category. There is no situation where Matt is moved this year.
Not saying Matt gets traded, but having lived in Chicago for close to 10 years before we moved to NC.
I can tell you that franchise would do something nutty for a top 5ish QB
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 2/1/21 at 10:27 am to VADawg
on 2/1/21 at 10:27 am to VADawgIt ain't happening.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by VADawg 
on 2/1/21 at 10:35 am to SteelerBravesDawg
on 2/1/21 at 10:35 am to SteelerBravesDawgThey can trade him after June 1 and the cap hit is only $18M as opposed to the $44M hit before then.
I don't think it happens either, but it is possible. Stop being a dick.
I don't think it happens either, but it is possible. Stop being a dick.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 2/1/21 at 10:48 am to VADawg
on 2/1/21 at 10:48 am to VADawgquote:
They can trade him after June 1 and the cap hit is only $18M as opposed to the $44M hit before then.
I don't think it happens either, but it is possible. Stop being a dick.
Arthur didn't sign up for a full rebuild. If he had, Smith wouldn't of been hired.
He wants to win now on top of building for the future. You trade Matt, that first part is out the window. And Arthur is pushing 80, you would think he wants to get a title before it's too late.
And I'll reiterate that I think the Falcons have more talent on the roster than a lot of people(including you) give them credit for. The problem was and has been coaching.
Trading Matt ain't happening.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by VADawg on 2/1/21 at 11:07 am to SteelerBravesDawg
on 2/1/21 at 11:07 am to SteelerBravesDawgquote:
He wants to win now on top of building for the future. You trade Matt, that first part is out the window. And Arthur is pushing 80, you would think he wants to get a title before it's too late.
I do agree with this but that is a very difficult line to walk. You almost have to fully commit one way or the other.
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I'll reiterate that I think the Falcons have more talent on the roster than a lot of people(including you) give them credit for
I tend to think our fanbase overrates some of our players. Julio is not playing like a $22M/year WR. Matt is still playing well, but he is paid on par with guys like Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson when he isn't on their level at this point in his career. I also believe Jake Matthews could be upgraded and kicked over to RT. Our secondary is a complete disaster outside of Terrell, who I was wrong about. I really like Keanu Neal but there should have been a special position created for him. He isn't big enough to be an inside linebacker and can't cover well enough to be a safety. Maybe a hybrid S/OLB role, but Quinn wasn't smart enough to come up with an answer.
Dimitroff's problem was twofold. He was not great at reading the draft (always trading up and reaching for needs instead of going BPA; McGary and Takk are prime examples) and then overpaying guys on their second/third contracts (Julio) or picking up options on players we never should have done that with (Vic Beasley). We are feeling the pain of missing a bunch in the 2017-2019 drafts outside of Ridley and Lindstrom.
I like Arthur Smith a lot and think be will be a massive coaching upgrade, and I like the hire of Fontenot, but I don't think the roster is close to competing for a Super Bowl.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 2/1/21 at 12:34 pm to VADawg
on 2/1/21 at 12:34 pm to VADawgquote:
I do agree with this but that is a very difficult line to walk. You almost have to fully commit one way or the other.
It can be done. The really good organizations do it all the time. KC did it w/Mahomes, BAL w/Jackson, etc. I just read where Fontenot hired a scout away from BAL and made him director of college scouting. Fontenot has come out and said that Ozzie Newsome is an idol of his and that he wants to model his FO after Baltimore's. I like the direction that they're going.
You left out Grady. There are some good pieces on both sides to work with and build around. TD's problem was that he didn't build depth. You act like the roster is devoid of talent.
If Neal stays Peas will find a spot for him. He would be best used as an in-box Safety or like a jack backer in a 3-4.
The Falcons are not going total rebuild, nor should they.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by Huge Richard on 2/1/21 at 12:36 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
on 2/1/21 at 12:36 pm to SteelerBravesDawgquote:
Arthur didn't sign up for a full rebuild. If he had, Smith wouldn't of been hired.
This is based on what? Who were they supposed to hire for a rebuild?
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by VADawg on 2/1/21 at 12:47 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
on 2/1/21 at 12:47 pm to SteelerBravesDawgquote:
You left out Grady. There are some good pieces on both sides to work with and build around.
Most of that post was talking about guys who are overrated/overpaid. Grady does not qualify. He is worth every penny of his contract.
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TD's problem was that he didn't build depth.
He traded up too many times and then had a lot of whiffs in the 2nd round and later from 2017-2019. The 2017 draft in particular was horrid. When you trade up as often as he did, your margin of error in the draft gets smaller.
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You act like the roster is devoid of talent.
There is some talent, but it is very top heavy, and like you said, there is no quality depth.
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The really good organizations do it all the time. KC did it w/Mahomes, BAL w/Jackson, etc
Kansas City and Baltimore had expensive starters but were easily able to get out of those contracts and move forward with Mahomes and Jackson.
Kansas City had the ultimate cheat code to win a Super Bowl. They had the most talented QB in the history of the league on a rookie contract, so they were able to load up the rest of the roster. Getting a good QB on a rookie deal and surrounding him with gobs of talent is the ticket to winning these days. That is the main reason I want the Falcons to move on from Ryan no later than the 2022 offseason.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 2/1/21 at 4:03 pm to VADawg
on 2/1/21 at 4:03 pm to VADawgquote:
Kansas City and Baltimore had expensive starters but were easily able to get out of those contracts and move forward with Mahomes and Jackson.
B/c their contracts(cap #) plus their overall salary cap was manageable enough that they could move on. The Falcons aren't in that position. Thus Matt is here next season.
This post was edited on 2/1 at 4:06 pm
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 2/1/21 at 4:04 pm to Huge Richard
on 2/1/21 at 4:04 pm to Huge Richardquote:
This is based on what? Who were they supposed to hire for a rebuild?
Arthur's age. He'll be 79 this year. You really think he wants to go through a full rebuild at his age? Use some common sense here.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by Tigertown in ATL on 2/1/21 at 7:05 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
on 2/1/21 at 7:05 pm to SteelerBravesDawgquote:
And Arthur is pushing 80, you would think he wants to get a title before it's too late.
Won’t happen.
His delusions that it can happen with this team will keep them at 8-8 for the next decade.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by SteelerBravesDawg on 2/1/21 at 8:55 pm to Tigertown in ATL
on 2/1/21 at 8:55 pm to Tigertown in ATLquote:
Won’t happen.
His delusions that it can happen with this team will keep them at 8-8 for the next decade.
Now that's a little harsh. This is the NFL, where half the teams that make the playoffs one season don't the next.
I do like that he is stepping back from being involved in football decisions. Fontenot/Smith will report directly to McKay. Which I don't have a problem with, Rich is a football guy and he needs to be the one who reports to Arthur, not the coach and GM.
re: Matt Ryan Trade Rumors ThreadPosted by Barstools on 2/9/21 at 2:30 am to Tigertown in ATL
on 2/9/21 at 2:30 am to Tigertown in ATLHe said on the radio he didn't want a full rebuild and that part of the reason they hired who they did was because of their plans to move forward with what we have and win now. Literally said it on 92.9 after the hire. Don't know why people are arguing with you...
This post was edited on 2/9 at 2:30 am
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