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Which of these outcomes would you prefer?
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:16 am
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:16 am
A) Arkansas goes 4-8 or worse this year, Bert is fired and we make a big hire that rejuvenates the fanbase.
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B) Arkansas goes 6-6- this year, then 7-5 the next year. Bert remains head coach until at least 2020.
I never pull for the hogs to lose, but I have to say I'd prefer A at this point.
What I mean is - I'll be pulling for the hogs in each game individually, as always. But I do think going 4-8 is likely better for the program long-term.
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B) Arkansas goes 6-6- this year, then 7-5 the next year. Bert remains head coach until at least 2020.
I never pull for the hogs to lose, but I have to say I'd prefer A at this point.
What I mean is - I'll be pulling for the hogs in each game individually, as always. But I do think going 4-8 is likely better for the program long-term.
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 7:19 am
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Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:18 am to The Sultan of Swine
Whatever scenario that gets Jeffrey Long fired is the one I want
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:20 am to Pigfeet
I would imagine having to write a $12 million check would be as likely to get Jeff fired as anything.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:22 am to The Sultan of Swine
I touched on this in a different thread, but not so sure about that. The Foundation and boosters have to sign off on those type of contracts, since they are the ones paying them.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:35 am to Pigfeet
Even if you hate Jeff Long, you have to admit he's good at getting big names. Bielema was a bad decision, but I don't blame him for the hire as much as the ridiculous buyout/contract extension.
You can say Petrino fell into his lap but it was still a great hire (I've never bought into the line about how were going to fall off the map in 2012 even with Petrino. Dude knows how to get it done, and I put him on a tier of coaches just below Saban). I still think Mike Anderson was a great hire and he pulled him away from a decent basketball program.
If you want to say the Petrino firing was more about Long making a name for himself than "integrity" - well, fine. I don't know if that's the case but I could see that being true.
Still, he has shown he can lure big names. Having him make the next hire wouldn't be the end of the world.
You can say Petrino fell into his lap but it was still a great hire (I've never bought into the line about how were going to fall off the map in 2012 even with Petrino. Dude knows how to get it done, and I put him on a tier of coaches just below Saban). I still think Mike Anderson was a great hire and he pulled him away from a decent basketball program.
If you want to say the Petrino firing was more about Long making a name for himself than "integrity" - well, fine. I don't know if that's the case but I could see that being true.
Still, he has shown he can lure big names. Having him make the next hire wouldn't be the end of the world.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:39 am to The Sultan of Swine
There's another obvious scenario here where we fire him and don't hire someone good.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:51 am to Pigfeet
Jeff Long isn't getting fired so you may as well move on to another discussion.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:56 am to admiralduckwad
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There's another obvious scenario here where we fire him and don't hire someone good.
"Good" relative to what we have right now is a pretty low bar
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:57 am to The Sultan of Swine
Petrino and MA were pushed onto him from the boosters.
Bert, frickin' Jimmy Dykes, and the T&F coach were his major hires. I'm assuming he was forced to fire Dykes bc he supported that kneeling crap like Dykes did. Yes, we got Mike Neighbors. He would have come here no matter the AD, but Jimmy Dykes should have not hired at all, a fricking tv analyst to head coach. Lol.
Chris Bucknam hasn't been so hot, but it is hard to replace a legend like a John McDonnell. Many did want Dick Booth to replace him though.
That leaves Bert who is failing miserably as well.
I have no faith in Jeff Long to make a good hire all on his own, unless it is pushed onto him from an outside source like a booster.
Bert, frickin' Jimmy Dykes, and the T&F coach were his major hires. I'm assuming he was forced to fire Dykes bc he supported that kneeling crap like Dykes did. Yes, we got Mike Neighbors. He would have come here no matter the AD, but Jimmy Dykes should have not hired at all, a fricking tv analyst to head coach. Lol.
Chris Bucknam hasn't been so hot, but it is hard to replace a legend like a John McDonnell. Many did want Dick Booth to replace him though.
That leaves Bert who is failing miserably as well.
I have no faith in Jeff Long to make a good hire all on his own, unless it is pushed onto him from an outside source like a booster.
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 8:04 am
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:09 am to TheCheshireHog
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Jeff Long isn't getting fired so you may as well move on to another discussion.
I know, know it 100%
College athletics is big business, and as long as the money keeps pouring in and doesn't have another scandal, then his job is safe.
Truth be told, some were calling for his job during the Petrino scandal.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:13 am to Pygthagorean Theorem
I'm thinking Coach Deifel is going to be a great hire, I look for big things from her team.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:23 am to The Sultan of Swine
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Even if you hate Jeff Long, you have to admit he's good at getting big names. Bielema was a bad decision, but I don't blame him for the hire as much as the ridiculous buyout/contract extension.
I'm on the fence when it comes to whether or not I want Long making the next hire.
He's proven that he can lure big names, and Petrino and Bielema were both big time hires (you can count Mike Anderson as well, though he wanted this job).
On the other hand, his decision making has been absolutely terrible the last five years. He brought in John L Smith with no vetting or thought whatsoever to the consequences simply because the players asked for him, and gave Bret Bielema a mammoth contract rendering him virtually unfireable for a half decade despite being 10-15 and 2-14 in the SEC at that point in time.
Also, the names before Petrino became a reality - Jim Grobe, Will Muschamp - don't inspire confidence at all in his evaluation of coaching hires, though that was a decade ago.
Either way, we're such a long way from the days of Broyles, and it's sad that it's come to this. Broyles wouldn't have put up with this shite, and he certainly wouldn't have been out on the speaking circuit talking up a bad coach by parroting GPAs and off-field stuff that doesn't equate to jack shite when it comes to winning football games.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:33 am to Pygthagorean Theorem
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he supported that kneeling crap like Dykes did
Dykes didn't support it. He was forced to make that statement and "show support" by Long.
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:48 am to Raz4back
Yeah I'm not buying that argument. Long isn't going to force one coach to allow it (Dykes) while telling another that he's ok with him not letting his players do it (MA). That sounds more like a message board rumor.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:49 am to The Sultan of Swine
A. I am completely over Bert. He needs to take his gold digging wife and unfortunate named daughter and get out. There is no hope with him at the helm, no confidence we will ever get better. It is over.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:54 am to piggilicious
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He needs to take his gold digging wife and unfortunate named daughter and get out
She just went in dry on Bert, dayum
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:06 am to piggilicious
Also thanks for being the first to answer the question
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:08 am to Pigfeet
Up this morning heading to Bentonville before heading home. Woke up apathetic and totally over it. I've never in my 40 years wanted us to lose any games, let alone lose out. I might be ok with it this time. Time for BB to go.
That offense.... Ugh. That was so painful to watch.
That offense.... Ugh. That was so painful to watch.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:30 am to The Sultan of Swine
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A) Arkansas goes 4-8 or worse this year, Bert is fired and we make a big hire that rejuvenates the fanbase.
The problem here is the damn buyout. That is Longs fault. I can't blame Long for hiring a coach with Bert's resume, because it was solid. I think Long, along with Bert misjudged the roster and the football program as a whole at the time and assumed Petrino left the cupboard semi full. Well, he didn't. Whether that means Petrino was just that much better at X's and O's than everyone else, we will never know. I would have been curious to see what Petrino would have done with that 2013 team that only won 3 games.
I think the issue was Long thought he needed a coach to build on the success of what Petrino had done. Bert had done the same thing at Wisconsin. Long, unfortunately, didn't realize how talent barren that roster actually was. Instead of hiring a program sustainer, he should have hired a program builder. That is not all on Long. Many of us didn't even realize at the time how talentless that roster actually was.
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B) Arkansas goes 6-6- this year, then 7-5 the next year. Bert remains head coach until at least 2020.
I think 6-6 still puts him on the hot seat for next season. This program hasn't gone through 7 seasons without at least one 9 win season since 1952-1958. So, 6-6 this season and 7-5 next season gets him fired after next season IMO.
Either way, I think we are stuck with him through the end of next season. Which sucks, because I don't want to go out to Colorado State and lose.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 9:34 am to hoginthesw
I've been a big supporter of coach B. With that being said there is no excuse for the way we played yesterday. I think he's just in over his head. I think he's a great man but just not getting the job done. On the other hand, Arkansas will never be the team they were back during the Broyles days. Those of you thinking that are just delusional. We can be a team to take a run at the SEC every couple of years and with a little luck the national championship. With the way recruiting is and the money thrown at these programs all over the college landscape make it extremely difficult to compete at a high and consistent level. I believe we can get a coach where we are better than mediocre year end and year out.
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