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re: When the current decline started and why we were too blind to see it.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:05 pm to DaleDenton
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:05 pm to DaleDenton
I don't remember pre-2000ish football and couldn't give a frick if team A won some championship in 1970
Pretty sure most recruits feel the same way
Pretty sure most recruits feel the same way
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Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:07 pm to Gladius Veritas
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I don't remember pre-2000ish football
The big10 was the shite and where you would go if you were good enough...
Or Nebraska.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:07 pm to Gladius Veritas
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Broyles really wasn't that great of an AD
Terrible at relationships with the HC's that he hired, but out of this world as a fundraiser.
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 6:16 am
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:20 pm to DaleDenton
Florida and FSU are the only schools to win a title. They have a shitload of recruits in their state.
Boise and TCU did it by beating up on teams that we would have beat by 30.
Okie lite had one good year, and that was because OU and Texass sucked so bad.
Baylor and Mich State hasn't done shite.
aTm is on the rise because of a freak at QB and the right hire at HC.
Stanford is just a solid program.
Oregon has done it with the right head coach and a style of play that most HS kids are now playing. Not to mention state of the art facilities and the players think of Nike when Oregon is mentioned.
What can we hang our hat on?
Bret Bielema?
Facilities?
NWA?
Winning Tradition?
Great Twitter following for recruits?
The Catfish Hole for God's sake?
Boise and TCU did it by beating up on teams that we would have beat by 30.
Okie lite had one good year, and that was because OU and Texass sucked so bad.
Baylor and Mich State hasn't done shite.
aTm is on the rise because of a freak at QB and the right hire at HC.
Stanford is just a solid program.
Oregon has done it with the right head coach and a style of play that most HS kids are now playing. Not to mention state of the art facilities and the players think of Nike when Oregon is mentioned.
What can we hang our hat on?
Bret Bielema?
Facilities?
NWA?
Winning Tradition?
Great Twitter following for recruits?
The Catfish Hole for God's sake?
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:21 pm to Gladius Veritas
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I don't remember pre-2000ish football and couldn't give a frick if team A won some championship in 1970 Pretty sure most recruits feel the same way
I do...I remember Troy Aikman and UCLA beating us in the Cotton Bowl.
I remember my first game with my gramps against aTm
I remember helmet car on the field and also remote control helmet car.
I remember when our drum majors used to high step all the way to the 50 yd line and I thought that was the coolest thing ever as a kid.
I remember no advertisements at games and only hog calls, hey song, and Arkansas screamed on one side of stadium and razorbacks on the other during timeouts.
I remember when the crowd actually got excited during pre game and there was no "A" walk of honor....it was swing march while forming the A, then straight to WTO and a crowd in a frenzy.....then here came the Hogs.
I remember trying to go to sleep as a kid leaving Fayetteville, but getting car sick every time because there was no I540.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:23 pm to Hawgeye
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I do...I remember Troy Aikman and UCLA beating us in the Cotton Bowl.
What a game that was, balanced offense is all you can say about it.
21 passing, 21 rushing.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:32 pm to Hawgeye
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I do...I remember Troy Aikman and UCLA beating us in the Cotton Bowl.
Ugh, and guess who the HC coach was that drafted Aikman, Jimmy "How bout them Cowboys" Johnson. What could have been if Broyles would have hired him. He wanted the job, too.
I share a lot of the same memories with ya pardna, minus the car sick part. Pigtrail never bothered me. I was out as soon as I hit the back seat of that old Monte Carlo.
This post was edited on 10/13/13 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:34 pm to Pigfeet
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Ugh, and guess who the HC coach was
That led to him being at UCLA?
Barry Switzer.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 8:54 pm to DaleDenton
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That led to him being at UCLA?
Barry Switzer.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 10:46 pm to SmackoverHawg
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When we fired Holtz and followed up by not hiring Jimmy Johnson. Once again pissing in the face of home grown talent.
ETA- I know Johnson wasn't born here. But he played for us and Frank supposedly promised him the job if he got HC experience.
While you seem to be missing Dale's point, I agree with you.
Speaking of, does anyone know if Switzer had any interest in coming to Arkansas BEFORE getting fired at Oklahoma? FWIW, I suspect that Switzer deserves a lot of the blame for our fall from grace in the sixties, because Oklahoma rose up as we began to fall, and it all correlated with Switzer leaving Arkansas for Oklahoma.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:45 am to DaleDenton
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rankings don't matter in his system
I told everyone, many times over. Unfortunately, I was right and these are the results we have.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 3:50 am to Hawgeye
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I remember helmet car on the field and also remote control helmet car.
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I remember when our drum majors used to high step all the way to the 50 yd line and I thought that was the coolest thing ever as a kid.
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I remember no advertisements at games and only hog calls, hey song, and Arkansas screamed on one side of stadium and razorbacks on the other during timeouts.
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I remember trying to go to sleep as a kid leaving Fayetteville, but getting car sick every time because there was no I540.
Yes!
Posted on 10/14/13 at 6:17 am to DaleDenton
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That led to him being at UCLA?
Barry Switzer.
That also won a Super bowl with him.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:46 pm to SunHog
More details about the attrition.
O-line:
2008:
Matt Hall- 4 star, left for Ole Miss
Austin Eoff- 2 star, left football altogether, injuries?
2009:
Alvin Bailey- 3 star, 3 year starter
Colby Berna- 4 star, injuries
Shauntez Bruce- 3 star, went JUCO route, passed away in 2010
Anthony Oden- 4 star, legal/disciplinary trouble
Travis Swanson- 3 star, 4-year starter
Zhamal Thomas- 3 star, played most of his time
2010:
Cam Feldt- 4 star, injuries
Denton Simek- 3 star, gone
Luke Charpentier- 3 star, playing
most of 2011's class is still playing/with the team
So, from 2008-2010, Petrino signed 11 scholarship OL. Of those 10, only 4 or 5 ever contributed, and only 2 were true full-time starters.
Impact players by class:
2008 - Gragg, Adams, Wright, Childs, Mallett ( via transfer ) Wilson
2009 - Hamilton, Johnson, Swanson
2010 - Tevin Mitchell, Chris Smith, Hocker, Jones, Davis, Small
2011- Flowers... and?
2012 - Philon, J Will, ....and?
Heavy on the offense side.
O-line:
2008:
Matt Hall- 4 star, left for Ole Miss
Austin Eoff- 2 star, left football altogether, injuries?
2009:
Alvin Bailey- 3 star, 3 year starter
Colby Berna- 4 star, injuries
Shauntez Bruce- 3 star, went JUCO route, passed away in 2010
Anthony Oden- 4 star, legal/disciplinary trouble
Travis Swanson- 3 star, 4-year starter
Zhamal Thomas- 3 star, played most of his time
2010:
Cam Feldt- 4 star, injuries
Denton Simek- 3 star, gone
Luke Charpentier- 3 star, playing
most of 2011's class is still playing/with the team
So, from 2008-2010, Petrino signed 11 scholarship OL. Of those 10, only 4 or 5 ever contributed, and only 2 were true full-time starters.
Impact players by class:
2008 - Gragg, Adams, Wright, Childs, Mallett ( via transfer ) Wilson
2009 - Hamilton, Johnson, Swanson
2010 - Tevin Mitchell, Chris Smith, Hocker, Jones, Davis, Small
2011- Flowers... and?
2012 - Philon, J Will, ....and?
Heavy on the offense side.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 3:07 pm to redeye
I didn't realize that Switzer was ever interested in the Arkansas job but it doesn't surprise me. I couldn't stand him when he was at Oklahoma but after reading his book, I began to really like the guy a lot. He was one helluva coach and recruiter.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 3:18 pm to DaleDenton
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So, from 2008-2010, Petrino signed 11 scholarship OL. Of those 10, only 4 or 5 ever contributed, and only 2 were true full-time starters.
wow
here are the only impact players I could see per class on defense:
2008 - DT: Alfred Davis, LB: Jerico Nelson, LB: Tenarius Wright, S: Tramain Thomas
2009 - DT: Robert Thomas
2010 - DE: Chris Smith, S: Eric Bennett
2011- S: Rohan Gaines, LB: Alonzo Highsmith, CB: Tevin Mitchel, DT: Robert Thomas, DE: Trey Flowers
2012 - DE: Deatrich Wise, DE: JaMichael Winston, LB: A.J. Turner, DT: Darius Philon, LB: Otha Peters
Breakdown of where that talent came from
Georgia - 2
Louisiana - 2
Arkansas - 2
Texas - 3
Oklahoma 2
North Carolina - 1
Alabama - 3
Arizona - 1
lol @ the 2009 defensive class
Posted on 10/15/13 at 6:39 pm to hawgfaninc
So, 25 signed in 2010, 32 in 2011.
22 are now gone, according to Channel 5 tonight.
25+32 = 57 total.
22/57 = 38.5% attrition rate
85 total scholarships allowed per team. 25 players allowed to sign per year.
on a four year scale a 15% attrition rate is standard to meet requirement scholarship requirements.
Arkansas is 2.5 times the norm in attrition for those classes.
This is why we have little juniors and seniors.
I'm not sure Bert can be fully judged of his capability before his 4th year due to this.
22 are now gone, according to Channel 5 tonight.
25+32 = 57 total.
22/57 = 38.5% attrition rate
85 total scholarships allowed per team. 25 players allowed to sign per year.
on a four year scale a 15% attrition rate is standard to meet requirement scholarship requirements.
Arkansas is 2.5 times the norm in attrition for those classes.
This is why we have little juniors and seniors.
I'm not sure Bert can be fully judged of his capability before his 4th year due to this.
Posted on 10/15/13 at 6:41 pm to DaleDenton
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I'm not sure Bert can be fully judged of his capability before his 4th year due to this.
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