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re: The Illusion of Success: Gus Malzahn's Offensive Rankings
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:28 pm to Latarian
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:28 pm to Latarian
Lat, you've just gone completely fricking stupid.
You're moving goalpost around like Lindsey Graham right now.
Gus. was 12-2 his first season. He's never approached that record since.
Also.. .750 winning percentage? You are absolutely 100% full of shite.
Gus's winning percentage at Auburn is .674. His percentage at Arkansas State was .750.
I think you should stop posting and maybe you know.. learn how to read stats.
You're moving goalpost around like Lindsey Graham right now.
Gus. was 12-2 his first season. He's never approached that record since.
Also.. .750 winning percentage? You are absolutely 100% full of shite.
Gus's winning percentage at Auburn is .674. His percentage at Arkansas State was .750.
I think you should stop posting and maybe you know.. learn how to read stats.
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:41 pm to Killean
Yeah it was a typo. Look if you think our program is in a position to turn down a coach who has won 60% of his SEC games (including an SEC championship and NC appearance) as a head coach after we’ve lost 17 (and counting) in a row then be my fricking guest. I’ll just continue to laugh at your stupid arse.
So please, continue, im enjoying this...
So please, continue, im enjoying this...
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:50 pm to Latarian
Lat, transitive property truly doesn't work here.
Would he be able to recruit as well at Arkansas... which leads to, would he be able to compete even remotely as well at Arkansas, which leads too.. would he get the support from fans because of such.
He is looking for a soft landing period. I don't want to be the mans pillow...
Would he be able to recruit as well at Arkansas... which leads to, would he be able to compete even remotely as well at Arkansas, which leads too.. would he get the support from fans because of such.
He is looking for a soft landing period. I don't want to be the mans pillow...
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:53 pm to Razorback Reverend
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He is looking for a soft landing period. I don't want to be the mans pillow...
Dead on. We need someone hungry.
No more of that Chavis golden parachute
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:00 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Lat, transitive property truly doesn't work here.
Would he be able to recruit as well at Arkansas... which leads to, would he be able to compete even remotely as well at Arkansas, which leads too.. would he get the support from fans because of such.
He is looking for a soft landing period. I don't want to be the mans pillow...
A lot of what ifs here. I hate to break it to you but there’s a lot of what if’s with every candidate. Sorry you don’t like Gus as a person, it’s clouding your judgment though.
ETA and I think Gus would want to succeed here. If all he cared about was money he’d stay at Auburn and cash the huge buyout check he’ll get if he’s fired.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:12 pm to Latarian
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Sorry you don’t like Gus as a person, it’s clouding your judgment though.
So do you think anyone who doesn't want Gus just does so because its personal? I have always been indifferent on him in terms of personality but he wouldn't be in my top 5 for sure. I laid out my concerns in the other thread.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:26 pm to rockiee
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So do you think anyone who doesn't want Gus just does so because its personal?
Yes. No sane person or one without bias would look at his resume and not be okay with the hire, especially considering where we are as a program right now. I never said he had to be top 5, I don’t care if you even prefer him at all, but to say you wouldn’t want him is complete Kristi level lunacy.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:38 pm to Latarian
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Yes
Why isn't he higher on your list? You seem way more sure about him than most people are about their number 1 choice.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:46 pm to rockiee
Because I don’t think he’s a realistic option.
As I have said many times the ceiling is higher with Norvell and Clark but I would be fine with Gus, he’s safe.
ETA: Gus was my top choice last time around, I think that ship has sailed. Plus Norvell has proved staying power since then. Bill Clark has entered at 2 and Kiffin stays at 3. Though honestly I would probably take Gus over him.
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As I have said many times the ceiling is higher with Norvell and Clark but I would be fine with Gus, he’s safe.
ETA: Gus was my top choice last time around, I think that ship has sailed. Plus Norvell has proved staying power since then. Bill Clark has entered at 2 and Kiffin stays at 3. Though honestly I would probably take Gus over him.
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This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:53 pm to Latarian
Alright, well really hard to have a discussion about why you wouldn't want a certain coach if you are just labeled as having something against him personally if you disagree. It is the same thing as just saying you want Gus because you love him, which is ignorant and lazy.
There were legit concerns/criticisms that were never countered or addressed and I agree that every coach is going to have some of them.
Once again, I would be fine with Gus if I knew he would have a great staff around him.
There were legit concerns/criticisms that were never countered or addressed and I agree that every coach is going to have some of them.
Once again, I would be fine with Gus if I knew he would have a great staff around him.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:54 pm to rockiee
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Alright, well really hard to have a discussion about why you wouldn't want a certain coach if you are just labeled as having something against him personally if you disagree.
I’m not the one sending me reasons like “his wife is crazy” or “his church is a cult”, etc. neither has anything to do with football aka it’s personal.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:56 pm to rockiee
I do have a personal problem with him, as I have let be known several times.
But again...Geeze
He is a mediocre coach with incredible talent and an incredible DC. Without that D he would be anything currently and is still pizzing off the auburn faithful.
His system is now outdated and he is too stubborn to change.
He would be too divisive here as a coach period. Outside of my personal feelings. There are many who do not want anything to do with GM.
He could not recruit here like he does at Auburn, many built in advantages to being at GA, AU, FL over Arkansas, MS schools.. etc.
but, whatever... I would likely keep my season tix to see to those who want to go.
But again...Geeze
He is a mediocre coach with incredible talent and an incredible DC. Without that D he would be anything currently and is still pizzing off the auburn faithful.
His system is now outdated and he is too stubborn to change.
He would be too divisive here as a coach period. Outside of my personal feelings. There are many who do not want anything to do with GM.
He could not recruit here like he does at Auburn, many built in advantages to being at GA, AU, FL over Arkansas, MS schools.. etc.
but, whatever... I would likely keep my season tix to see to those who want to go.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:57 pm to Latarian
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I’m not the one sending me reasons like “his wife is crazy” or “his church is a cult”,
And neither have I but by your statements earlier I have a bias against him or I'm insane because I don't want him unless an unlikely situation presents itself.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:57 pm to Razorback Reverend
Thank you Rev for proving my point. I can’t argue against personal views. It’s impossible.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:59 pm to rockiee
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And neither have I but by your statements earlier I have a bias against him or I'm insane because I don't want him unless an unlikely situation presents itself.
Again, if you look at his resume with no name or bio attached you would take him in a heartbeat. The fact it’s Gus clouds judgement and you’ll never convince we otherwise. Sorry.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:00 pm to Razorback Reverend
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I do have a personal problem with him, as I have let be known several times.
That is clear
But you have brought up some concerning issues whether you hate or love the man.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:03 pm to Killean
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The Defense is actually the primary driver of his offense.
Now some will take offense... pardon the pun... at this but you can see an example of it with Army this year.
Their all everything DC built a top 15 defense (with Army recruits!) and that set up their ball control triple option offense. When he left Army dropped off the face of the planet.
They were hoping to reach a NY6 bowl game this year based on their top 25 finish last year and they now have to win out to have a shot at any bowl game.
Now then. Some of us are Gus defenders. And some of us Gus haters. But I respectfully, to both sides, suggest that Gus goes as his defense goes.
If Gus is our head coach and we put up a top 20 or top 15 defense than we will win 8-10 games. The worse our defense is the more games we will lose and we can lose a lot of games.
Does everyone trust that Gus will have a top 20 defense at Arkansas? Because if the answer is no then we are going to be fighting for bowl eligibility every year.
Yes, he will do better than Chad. My cat can do a better job than Chad though and she just spent the last ten minutes sniffing an empty plate of food in case she missed something.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:06 pm to Latarian
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Again, if you look at his resume with no name or bio attached you would take him in a heartbeat.
I disagree. It isn't bad at all but alot of context is lost that way. We have to look at where the record was achieved, what aspects does he focus on as a coach, what are the strongest aspects of the team during his tenure, etc.
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The fact it’s Gus clouds judgement and you’ll never convince we otherwise
Sure he does for some. I would never say that there isn't a significant portion of our fan base that doesn't want him purely because of his name. There are some in this thread that own up to it. I agree on that.
The issue I have is saying that anyone who doesn't want him falls into the above category. When you say something like that, it eliminates our ability to have a conversation because you are just writing everyone off who disagrees.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:07 pm to Arksulli
Why do you assume Gus won’t hire a good DC? He’s had a pretty good track record at Auburn.
Now do you trust Leach or Norvell (two guys who field notoriously bad defenses) would do the same?
Now do you trust Leach or Norvell (two guys who field notoriously bad defenses) would do the same?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:08 pm to rockiee
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The issue I have is saying that anyone who doesn't want him falls into the above category. When you say something like that, it eliminates our ability to have a conversation because you are just writing everyone off who disagrees.
I have literally been debating Gus all afternoon. If I was just writing people off i wouldn’t have even bothered discussing.
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