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re: So, bad year for a coaching search.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:30 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 10/30/17 at 10:30 pm to BoarEd
Petrino had the "God" syndrome. He was treated as one here and fell upon the proverbial sword of innate failure.
Same of Bill Clinton, he could only experience a certain amount of success before he sabotaged it completely...
very highly successful people often have a problem handling success...
I have read this thread all of the way through and we are more than capable of hiring one of, if not the best known coach of the hiring season. But, I also agree that we may not experience success to the extent that the name had brought expectations.
It is what it is...
CBB wanted very badly to succeed here... but it hasn't worked. So.. in our individual opinions, who offers the best chance of success as the next HC at Arkansas?
Same of Bill Clinton, he could only experience a certain amount of success before he sabotaged it completely...
very highly successful people often have a problem handling success...
I have read this thread all of the way through and we are more than capable of hiring one of, if not the best known coach of the hiring season. But, I also agree that we may not experience success to the extent that the name had brought expectations.
It is what it is...
CBB wanted very badly to succeed here... but it hasn't worked. So.. in our individual opinions, who offers the best chance of success as the next HC at Arkansas?
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Posted on 10/30/17 at 11:24 pm to Razorback Reverend
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So.. in our individual opinions, who offers the best chance of success as the next HC at Arkansas?
Justin Fuente or Matt Campbell.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:19 am to Razorback Reverend
quote:leach, Gundy, campbell
CBB wanted very badly to succeed here... but it hasn't worked. So.. in our individual opinions, who offers the best chance of success as the next HC at Arkansas
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:46 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Fuente or Gundy is the answer for highest probability.
I’m down for the up and coming, something to prove type that blossoms into the next Dabo but you have a better chance at being struck by lightning than us of all schools landing that guy. Especially the way Long hires HC from other P5 schools for all sports.
Leach is funny but that defense doesn’t work.
Not sold on Campbell or his buyout for what is turning into his Stan Heath season.
I’m down for the up and coming, something to prove type that blossoms into the next Dabo but you have a better chance at being struck by lightning than us of all schools landing that guy. Especially the way Long hires HC from other P5 schools for all sports.
Leach is funny but that defense doesn’t work.
Not sold on Campbell or his buyout for what is turning into his Stan Heath season.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 12:47 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:02 am to BoarEd
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Justin Fuente or Matt Campbell.
Why would Fuente leave Virginia Tech for us?
Campbell is a long shot.
Bert has shown every single coach out there that you can go to 3straight Rose bowls and come to Arkansas and have your resume implode. Now if it’s just a money grab for these guys, then Arkansas would be a perfect fit and they should jump at the opportunity.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:10 am to ArHog
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Go get Merlin's or somebody that knows the SEC.
Bert is lost, Big 10 doesn't translate to the SEC West
He's making 5 million a year. Why would he make a lateral move to a worse recruiting base?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:15 am to Razorback Reverend
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Same of Bill Clinton, he could only experience a certain amount of success before he sabotaged it completely...
What? A certain amount of success?
He was the President for two terms and is still regarded extremely highly, scandal or not.
And he wasn't forced out of office.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 7:32 am to STLhog
We probably make a bowl game this year and keep the dude.
Razorback football is dead.
Razorback football is dead.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 7:34 am to Pigfeet
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Why would Fuente leave Virginia Tech for us?
Because he is from Tulsa, Oklahoma and coaching at Arkansas would essentially be going home. He is a UCA grad to boot.
I think Fuente is a realistic option for the Hogs and Arkansas would just have to match what he makes at VT. You could bump his pay half a million and he would be happy.
Also, for these coaches, it IS more about the money than it is anything else really. I mean, there's only four active coaches that have won titles.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:16 am to BoarEd
He’s not leaving VT to come to Arkansas for same amount of money, just to be closer to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 8:17 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:28 am to Pigfeet
You don't know that. But even if it's true, so what? You just offer him more money.
You certainly gotta take a shot with the guy. Three guys I can think of off the top of my head that you gotta make turn you down are Fuente, Campbell, and Peterson.
Of those three, I think Arkansas has the best shot at landing Fuente.
You certainly gotta take a shot with the guy. Three guys I can think of off the top of my head that you gotta make turn you down are Fuente, Campbell, and Peterson.
Of those three, I think Arkansas has the best shot at landing Fuente.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:32 am to BoarEd
Just like you don’t know that he would leave for money, just to be closer to Tulsa, Ok
Yes of course you take a shot, if that’s who you want.
Yes of course you take a shot, if that’s who you want.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 8:39 am to Pigfeet
Besides, if you just gave him Bielema's contract he would be making 1.2 million more here than he is there right now.
I would offer him 4 million dollars a year plus a 500,000 dollar bonus for every win over 8.
I would offer him 4 million dollars a year plus a 500,000 dollar bonus for every win over 8.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:11 am to BoarEd
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Because he is from Tulsa, Oklahoma and coaching at Arkansas would essentially be going home. He is a UCA grad to boot.
Norvell is the UCA grad. Fuente played at Oklahoma and Murray State.
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I think Fuente is a realistic option for the Hogs and Arkansas would just have to match what he makes at VT. You could bump his pay half a million and he would be happy.
Fans love to project their own thoughts and feelings onto coaches (I laugh when I see people talk about what certain coaches “want” or “like”), but the truth is that we have little to no idea what these guys think or what makes them tick.
Here’s what I said about this very topic in a different thread:
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I've long since stopped trying to get inside the minds of football coaches, and different coaches have different priorities. Chris Peterson turned down every great job on the planet and wound up in Seattle because he cares more about fit than anything (spare me the story about his kid because it always gets thrown around with him). Those close to Petrino have remarked that his father impressed upon him that you have to move around a lot to be "safe" in the coaching profession because you'll always wear out your welcome, ergo he's been a coaching nomad. Spurrier was a 9 to 5 guy who never took himself or football too seriously, which is largely how he was able to endure a decade-plus stint at two different SEC schools. Bill Snyder was a builder and a lifer type who thrived on 100 hour work weeks.
Every coach is different. Too often fans project their own desires and priorities when it comes to the coaching carousel.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:20 am to Feral
I know people are down on Long but ON PAPER the guy has made 2 phenomenal hires. It will be interesting to see who the next one is.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 9:24 am to STLhog
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What? A certain amount of success? He was the President for two terms and is still regarded extremely highly, scandal or not. And he wasn't forced out of office.
Exactly the point, he has this problem of sabotaging anything he has accomplished in some form. He always has.
1. He thinks less of himself than others do.
2. He lets it go to his head and acts in ways that cause his legacy to be tarnished.
I have read the mans books, and met him several times. Awesome president imho, but still had to make some screw up, some how, some way.
And, he sure likes the womenz...
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:17 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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know people are down on Long but ON PAPER the guy has made 2 phenomenal hires. It will be interesting to see who the next one is
Jeffrey didn’t hire DVH, but he gets a big high five for Courtney Deifel.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:29 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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I know people are down on Long but ON PAPER the guy has made 2 phenomenal hires. It will be interesting to see who the next one is.
Agreed, and I say that as someone who’s pretty down on Long.
On paper, Petrino and Bielema were great hires who didn’t work out in the long run for different reasons. I’m less worried about Long making a quality hire and more worried about him sticking with Bert.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:38 pm to Feral
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On paper, Petrino and Bielema were great hires who didn’t work out in the long run for different reasons. I’m less worried about Long making a quality hire and more worried about him sticking with Bert.
The nightmare that wakes us all up at night.
I'm no expert but I am fairly sure Norvell really wants the Arkansas job. Mostly because he's a native of the state, owns a home up here, and a good chunk of his family lives in the area.
Its a question of he wants the job, but can he do the job?
With Leach, Gundy, and all the rest... we have two questions.
1. Do they want the job? I mean Gundy has a steak and blowjob deal going right now. Why leave? We may or may not be able to offer more money but then he goes from game planning around two or three important games a year to seven or eight.
2. Do we really want them? Leach is getting a lot of love but how fired up do you think folks would be with a season opening loss to an FCS team? Because he pulled that off last year and he's been at Wazzo long enough to "build" his own team. Skip Holtz, while he is a perfectly decent mid tier coach, has his team boasting a 4-4 record right now.
Butch Davis, this year, has been able to barely beat Rice, Charlotte, and Alcorn State. The vaguely decent teams he's played have blown him out. He will wind up with a gaudy record this year because, unlike every other C-USA team, FIU went out of their way not to play anyone with a pulse.
I trust Jeff Long, even though I admit he is not infallible, to make a better coaching hire then someone throwing their money around because "gosh darn it, I played high school football with this guy".
Based on Long's hiring patterns across all sports we will either land a big name no one suspected, or he'll go with a young up and comer. Outside of football and men's basketball he's shown a taste for hiring young coaches and letting them develop.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:00 pm to BoarEd
this is where i am with this personally
sometimes shite goes bad. you make plans, they don't work out. it happens to all of us.
the truth of the matter is, we aren't fricked long term. we got a good QB for the forseeable future, we got some talent just about eveyrwhere. but at the same time, we started the current new england patriots defensive ends in 2014, the ravens starting RB, the chargers starting TE, and have a first round draft pick at center, and only managed to win 7 games.
i would sit Bert down and tell him look, I like you, and i want to keep you here, and I'm going to give you the opproutnity to stay here, but you have to come up with a game plan, and present it to me, a plan of action, to get us from where we are now, to where we should be. I want to know why we are where we are, I want to know what you plan on doing to fix it, and I want to see you step by step take action to fix it.
If he can do that, swallow his ego, admit his mistakes, and fix them, I have no problem with him staying.
sometimes shite goes bad. you make plans, they don't work out. it happens to all of us.
the truth of the matter is, we aren't fricked long term. we got a good QB for the forseeable future, we got some talent just about eveyrwhere. but at the same time, we started the current new england patriots defensive ends in 2014, the ravens starting RB, the chargers starting TE, and have a first round draft pick at center, and only managed to win 7 games.
i would sit Bert down and tell him look, I like you, and i want to keep you here, and I'm going to give you the opproutnity to stay here, but you have to come up with a game plan, and present it to me, a plan of action, to get us from where we are now, to where we should be. I want to know why we are where we are, I want to know what you plan on doing to fix it, and I want to see you step by step take action to fix it.
If he can do that, swallow his ego, admit his mistakes, and fix them, I have no problem with him staying.
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