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re: Our biggest issue the past 4 years has been the offensive line
Posted on 12/11/19 at 8:31 am to johnzorback
Posted on 12/11/19 at 8:31 am to johnzorback
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This is a terrible metric. Pittman is charismatic recruiter. You don't seriously believe Pittman cares less about being a p5 head coach than he does about Arkansas? We have to support him and be hopeful, but we don't have to try and rationalize this as a great hire.
I can't quite wrap my head around your question. You'll have to restate it if you want an answer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the metric being hiring the guy that wants it the most. Whether it is because he wants to be a P5 coach, or because the university and the program mean something to him. Because it isn't the only metric. The man is a highly respected coach, whose strength is our most glaring weakness. I'm not rationalizing this as a great hire. I'm saying it very well could be a great hire, if we knew what the AD knew.
I don't know if the man will be successful or not, and neither does anyone else. I do know that very few around here would have the stones to eat their crow, after Kiffin took the first train out, upon receipt of the first offer that wasn't quite as far beneath him as the Arkansas Razorbacks job. Especially considering that most of the posters biggest reason for wanting him, was the sail that could be done on Ole Miss.
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 8:32 am to Stonehog
I would say
1A is Oline
1B is tackling
1A is Oline
1B is tackling
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:35 am to boogiewoogie1978
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1B is tackling
Can be fixed largely with toughness, that should be fixed.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:13 am to Stonehog
The line hasn’t been a strength but our biggest issue has been qb play. Not to be captain obvious but the OC/qb coach hire will make or break Pittman.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:32 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I would say
1A is Oline
1B is tackling
Interested where you rate 8 different QBs in 2 years..
Boyd rushed for 1000 yards. The O line could have been A LOT worse.
QB play was an effing atrocity both seasons.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:49 am to Poker_hog
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The line hasn’t been a strength but our biggest issue has been qb play.
And the biggest issue with QB play has been lousy line play. Expecting a quarterback to be successful when he can rarely complete a 3 step drop without having a defender in his face is foolhardy, at best. Then you compound that by not being able to run the football successfully, because the line can't run block and open holes either, so play action does nothing to pull the linebackers up, or turn the DB's heads.
Everyone has a different philosophy, but in my book it is impossible to overestimate the importance of solid line play. A really good quarterback looks like hammered dogshit in a quick minute with a bad line.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:57 am to troyt37
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A really good quarterback looks like hammered dogshit in a quick minute with a bad line.
Isn't that the point of running a mobile QB system?
Wasn't that Chaggit's whole stick? De-emphasize line play due to having a mobile QB?
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:00 am to STLhog
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Interested where you rate 8 different QBs in 2 years.. Boyd rushed for 1000 yards. The O line could have been A LOT worse. QB play was an effing atrocity both seasons.
What is the common denominator for those 8 atrocious quarterbacks? Morris, Craddock, and the offensive line. If CBS Sports stats are correct, there are 49 thousand yard rushers in the NCAA right now. I'm sure our Oline could be worse, but I'm betting if you get into the numbers, our Oline was demonstrably, provably one of the worst in the country.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:05 am to STLhog
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Isn't that the point of running a mobile QB system? Wasn't that Chaggit's whole stick?
De-emphasize line play due to having a mobile QB?
You show me a mobile QB with a shitty Oline, and I'll show you an atrocious QB. Triple option QB's require solid line play. The QB position doesn't get any more mobile than that.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:33 am to STLhog
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Interested where you rate 8 different QBs in 2 years..
Boyd rushed for 1000 yards. The O line could have been A LOT worse.
A QB is only as good as the protection provided him unless he is mobile.
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Boyd rushed for 1000 yards. The O line could have been A LOT worse.
With spread offenses it is relatively easy to rush for 1000 yards now. The Oline run blocking has been about average. Boyd is a pretty talented back who can make something out of nothing.
Also, because most teams are able to get pressure with 4 we don't face a lot of stacked fronts. Combine that with teams playing soft coverage in blowouts and you have an easy path to 1000.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:46 am to boogiewoogie1978
Russ Wilson has been doing it for years in Seattle.
We're splitting hairs here.
Just saying we've been historically bad in literally every facet of the game the last 2 years under Morris.
It should never be forgotten just how collosally shitty we were at playing the game of football.
We're splitting hairs here.
Just saying we've been historically bad in literally every facet of the game the last 2 years under Morris.
It should never be forgotten just how collosally shitty we were at playing the game of football.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:48 pm to johnzorback
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You don't seriously believe Pittman cares less about being a p5 head coach than he does about Arkansas?
You can't seriously believe Pittman would be given a shot at any P5 besides Arkansas do you? Lol what a dumb comment.
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The koolaid is going to be glorious this summer
No doubt but please, oh please tell me what other great candidates would have assuredly come here. Please let us know oh wise one.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:57 pm to STLhog
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Russ Wilson has been doing it for years in Seattle.
Wilson is a special player.
The odds of us improving the line are much better than finding the next Wilson.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:35 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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No doubt but please, oh please tell me what other great candidates would have assuredly come here. Please let us know oh wise one
Almost everyone has a price. I’m sure guys were wanting well above market value to take on this hot mess. Maybe we couldn’t afford them or didn’t want to over pay but if you pay then they will come.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:50 pm to Poker_hog
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Maybe we couldn’t afford them or didn’t want to over pay but if you pay then they will come.
Problem is, you also have to pay when they go, even if they were arse while they were here.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 2:40 pm to Poker_hog
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if you pay then they will come.
No they won't. Time and time again this has proven to be false. We could offer Mike Gundy or Matt Campbell 10 million a year and they would still turn us down.
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