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re: Liberty was not really a terrible loss, relatively

Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:13 am to
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:13 am to
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Running in and moving the pile is NOT what you want your quarterback doing. We are seeing the results of it now.


Which is why KJ quit doing it. I’m sure he got nfl reports saying you need to improve on that. He can’t run around them, he can only dump truck dudes. He is afraid of not having NFL tape and getting another head ding.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:14 am to
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That's because we keep going 3 and out and killing our defense. At some point, the folks who love Briles and this offense are going to have to admit that we telegraph plays like a high school team. Defenses read us like a book. They know when we are going to run, they know when we are going to pass, that's how you get shut down completely by inferior teams like Liberty.


But are we going to pretend Sam doesn’t have his hands all over what Briles is running and who he’s playing?
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:17 am to
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He is afraid of not having NFL tape and getting another head ding.


Seems like everyone thinks they’re an NFL prospect now. Wonder what happened to being a great college player and moving on afterwards (like 90% will end up doing anyway).

Hate that about the NIL. We’re the minor leagues now
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:18 am to
It worked in practice because the defense is shite. So of course it would look good.

It was obvious that Liberty figured out the rushing attack early that Arkansas needed to go through the air but instead runs sweeps that they KNOW was coming.

Freeze coached circles around Sam with inferior talent. That isn't saying much against a glorified interim coach that has no previous experience like Freeze.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:23 am to
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But are we going to pretend Sam doesn’t have his hands all over what Briles is running and who he’s playing?


We have fans who say he's a CEO head coach, and lets his coordinators do their thing. This is the first time I've really heard anyone say Pittman is dictating plays and players to coordinators. I think the truth is somewhere in between, and people are putting wat too much stock in the BYU game and Sam telling Briles to take the top off. If you think that is happening, then you believe that both Sam and Briles would rather lose than run the offense as intended? What kind of sense does that make?
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:23 am to
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But are we going to pretend Sam doesn’t have his hands all over what Briles is running and who he’s playing?


If it doesn’t benefit Sam and push our team to a 75% run so they can remember their glory years, fans hate it.
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:25 am to
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Hate that about the NIL. We’re the minor leagues now


NIL should help with that. Spreads players around, should be a “salary cap” like Saban and Lane have both said though. Otherwise Bama, Texas and A&M will hoard all the players.. only Bama will do things with them though.
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:27 am to
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This is the first time I've really heard anyone say Pittman is dictating plays and players to coordinators.


I have replied to you multiple times when you shite on Briles saying this.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:31 am to
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If you think that is happening, then you believe that both Sam and Briles would rather lose than run the offense as intended? What kind of sense does that make?


No, I don’t think it’s an ego move like with Nutt. I’m sure he’s trying his best to win.

I think for most of last year and a good chunk of this season, Sam has not trusted KJ’s arm. Rightfully so on short and intermediate routes. I do think we should be taking way more deep shots early in games to take the top off. KJ is an elite deep ball passer.

But I think Sam just believes in playing not to lose (until we’re already in a hole). This works a lot of times when we had Ridgeway and Utsey, and we were winning the line of scrimmage. But when we run into teams we can’t do that against (see UGA last year) or we just don’t have the talent to do that (see this year) we need a more aggressive game plan early on to keep the defense off balance and to use our strengths more. I think Pitt has been the biggest hold back on that.
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:31 am to
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I think the truth is somewhere in between, and people are putting wat too much stock in the BYU game and Sam telling Briles to take the top off.


I believe that is exactly what happened.

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If you think that is happening, then you believe that both Sam and Briles would rather lose than run the offense as intended?

I think that’s one of the reasons Briles will most likely be gone next year.
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:33 am to
I don't like any offense that requires a heavy dose of the QB running the ball especially K.J trying to run over 240 pound linebackers.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:37 am to
Ask yourself when our offense is at it’s worst - at the beginning of the game, almost every time. These are scripted drives that the head coach is almost certainly going to have a major hand in planning
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:43 am to
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I have replied to you multiple times when you shite on Briles saying this.


I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. I have shite on Briles for his shitty, drive killing, wtf play calls, and there have been many, many of those. You think Pittman called those plays?
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 9:48 am
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:52 am to
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I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. I have shite on Briles for his shitty, drive killing, wtf play calls, and there have been many, many of those. You think Pittman called those plays?


Most teams go in with 16 scripted plays. Those are usually the shite plays for us. They go over those plays usually on Friday walk throughs. Head coach says I like this I hate this… get rid of this, why are you calling this?

So yes Sam would have amazing control over the top 16 plays we call.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:53 am to
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I have shite on Briles for his shitty, drive killing, wtf play calls, and there have been many, many of those. You think Pittman called those plays?


Those plays are wrinkles installed week to week the HC is definitely involved in.

The trick plays get more attention because of how bad they look, but aren't really the core problem of our offense. Especially not the consistently slow starts we have had for 3 years.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:10 am to
So then the fix for you two would be to push Sam out and make KB the coach. Maybe Sam should step aside, but I don't think it's going to solve any of our problems.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:15 am to
Not sure where you got that. I think Briles is fine as a coordinator. He could be a decent HC someday but he's young and doesn't have the experience, so I don't think we should be his first HC gig. I also don't think he's God's gift to offensive football. I do think he's up to SEC standards though, and I think we'd have a hard (but not impossible) time finding a better replacement.
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:26 am to
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So then the fix for you two would be to push Sam out and make KB the coach. Maybe Sam should step aside, but I don't think it's going to solve any of our problems.


No I think you turn him loose. Especially these last 3 games. Then evaluate if that’s what you want to run, if it isn’t you help him get a G5 job and replace him with an OC who aligns with you. Instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole.
Posted by troyt37
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14681 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:26 am to
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Not sure where you got that. I think Briles is fine as a coordinator. He could be a decent HC someday but he's young and doesn't have the experience, so I don't think we should be his first HC gig. I also don't think he's God's gift to offensive football. I do think he's up to SEC standards though, and I think we'd have a hard (but not impossible) time finding a better replacement.


If all the shitty offensive plays and play calls can be laid at the feet of Sam Pittman, then that's what needs to happen, isn't it? You guys talk like we just need Sam out of KB's way.

ETA: I think Sam would let our offense wear ballerina shoes and tiptoe to the line of scrimmage if what he was doing was working. I think Sam gets involved when we are killing the defense with our offense, which has happened more often than not this year. I don't think Sam would give a shite if KB cleaned out the running back room, and went every play with 5 wideouts if it won games, and neither would I.

I would love to see this offense with an actual quarterback. My biggest problem with KB is if he hasn't spent the last 3 years making Malik that quarterback, what the hell has he been doing, and why keep Malik around?

This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 10:34 am
Posted by RazorbackLaw501
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:44 am to
I'm not trying to be mean, but the first half of your post is riduclous. Yeah, we had some terrible, embarrassing losses in the worst period of the football program's history--it doesn't mean that the Liberty loss isn't terrible and embarrassing. There's no reason, other than being completely unprepared and focused, that we should have lost that game going against Liberty's 3rd-string quarterback--I still can't wrap my mind around it.

The latter half of your post seems spot on. I think Sam Pittman genuinely loves the Razorbacks, and I admire that about him, but he's clearly in over his head and he needs to go. He doesn't have the right predisposition to win consistently at this level. For example (and I'm not saying we should try to get him back), notice how Petrino talks about preparation and how he goes about running his program; it's unequivocally clear that the buck stops with him and, when he's not lying about a colossally embarrassing incident, he doesn't skate around issues regarding football performance. Notice how he talks in his press conferences, etc. You'll see someone who has full control of what's going on and the like.

Now look at Pittman, saying stuff like, "Well, we practiced it, and I don't know why they're not out there doing it". That's bullshite. Massachusetts's Brian "fricking" Kelly can get LSU players, in his first year, to practice it and perform it live, why can't Pittman? Of course, no one in the Arkansas media will dare touch that shite. We may make a bowl, but if this team was led by a competent coach, we'd probably be 9-3 at the end of the year instead of maybe 6-6.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 10:49 am
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