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re: Former Hogs pitching coach Wes Johnson leaving Minnesota Twins for LSU

Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:45 am to
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38137 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:45 am to
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Tygert for most of the year


Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18825 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:48 am to
Ah yes, I forgot a reasonable expectation is every freshman to be super heady in two of the highest pressure situations possible.

That is also on Hobbs. I bet guys are just signing up to work here.

Ya'll are a bunch of mouth breathing children who lost your toys.
Posted by Beached Tusky
Member since Oct 2016
1874 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:54 am to
In walks allowed this year Arkansas was ranked:
#140 in the country
#13 out of 14 SEC programs.

The list of college baseball programs who threw more strikes than Arkansas is very long.
We have a lot of guys who threw the ball hard and sort of knew where it was going.
Development.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
64613 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:03 am to
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Ya'll are a bunch of mouth breathing children who lost your toys.
It baffles me that there's this much defense of the pitching coach after a year in which we watched DVH only realistically have 2 MAYBE 3 options for arms that could come into a game and consistently throw strikes.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:06 am to
I knew Arkansas walked some batters at times but almost last in the SEC is inexcusable for Hobbs.
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38137 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:11 am to
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Ya'll are a bunch of mouth breathing children who lost your toys.


My first visit to Omaha was in 1979. We were the bridesmaids then also.

I'm old enough to have seen two Natty's. Unless DVH has a change of strategy he'll never win one, whether it be hitting approach or a new pitching coach.

Allowing Wes to go to LSWHO is a huge frick up, imo.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 9:12 am
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:18 am to
It just goes to show that any team can have all the talent in the world but if the players don't get the development they need then the team will always fall short. As long as DVH keeps both Hobbs and Thompson here then he will never win the CWS. Besides the CWS run, the whole season has been frustrating to watch.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18825 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:23 am to
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It baffles me that there's this much defense of the pitching coach after a year in which we watched DVH only realistically have 2 MAYBE 3 options for arms that could come into a game and consistently throw strikes.



Yea, the pallette injury didn't change the landscape of the staff or anything.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18825 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:24 am to
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Unless DVH has a change of strategy he'll never win one


His strategy had us a foul ball away. You're just being dense.

Wes Johnson hasn't recruited or developed anyone of note. 1 year stops at MSU and here and he's Dave Duncan. The way ya'll act, you deserve to be baby back bridesmaids.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38137 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:25 am to
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Yea, the pallette injury didn't change the landscape of the staff or anything.



Keep picking that low fruit. That dude wasn't Blaine Knight.
Posted by Beached Tusky
Member since Oct 2016
1874 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:26 am to
It starts on the recruiting trail, and what a pitching coach is considering valuable.
Velocity, Spin Rate, Movement... 'Stuff'. 'Stuff' is fun to watch.

In the case of Hobbs those look to be more important than things like Strikeout to Walk ratio, First Pitch Strike %, Walks Allowed, etc. Things most MLB programs consider pretty important when grading pitchers.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18825 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:26 am to
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That dude wasn't Blaine Knight.


A third rounder?

Yea, I know. He was a projected first rounder.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 9:28 am
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38137 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:31 am to
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Yea, I know. He was a projected first rounder



Key word "projected"


Posted by Beached Tusky
Member since Oct 2016
1874 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:35 am to
Peyton Pallette has been a great pitcher. He had better command as an incoming freshman than a lot of our guys who have had multiple years in the program.
Certainly would have made the rotation a lot better.

But taking Pallette out of the equation does not rationalize the inability of the staff as a whole when it comes to getting behind in counts, and ultimately putting more free runners on base than all but one other SEC team.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18825 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:35 am to
Alright guys you win.

Let's blow the staff up that has been to 3 CWS in 4 years, a foul ball away from a title and a run away from 4 in 4.

Don't even know why I bother. Ya'll have a good one being miserable.
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38137 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:40 am to
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Ya'll have a good one being miserable.


58 years as a fan.

I'm good


Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:43 am to
Johnson got paid $750,000 by LSU and left the Twins who are currently first in the division and are ranked seventh in overall pitching stats. That is pretty good for a first timer in the pros. LSU fans seem to think he is a big hire.
Posted by Beached Tusky
Member since Oct 2016
1874 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:45 am to
Actually you're typing like factual critique is making you miserable.

We had absolutely lights-out defense behind our pitching this year, and even with the head-scratching approach at times you can't deny the fact that every position player Arkansas fielded was elite at the plate before they ever stepped on campus.

We were ultimately eliminated from the CWS by a life-defining pitching performance.
The reason we were forced to be in that game in the first place had to do with our crap-tastic pitching in the 13-5 loss.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26709 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:22 am to
A fan can appreciate what DVH is doing here but still acknowledge that a team still needs improvement and if you aren't improving then you are going the other direction. Other successful programs all from across other sports still make coaching changes at the position level all the time when a glaring weakness might hurt them. If they don't then they will not be able to achieve the goals they desire.
Posted by Raz4back
Member since Mar 2011
4019 posts
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:34 am to
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Key word "projected"


He’s going to go higher after having TJ surgery than Knight did after a heathy, undefeated season
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