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re: For the Record, Why Didn't We Hire Venables?
Posted on 11/2/18 at 2:13 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 11/2/18 at 2:13 pm to BoarEd
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I mean, I keep hearing these rumors that we used to be good, but I'm telling you guys, outside two damn years, our football team has been pretty terrible for like, MY ENTIRE LIFE.
We had three 10+ win seasons in six years from 2006-2011, including winning the West. We had just finished at #5 and finally looked to be consistent when it all fell to shite. But the point is we proved it was possible to do here and maybe even possible to maintain for reasonable bursts at a time - and we did so well into the SEC's power run, so this "SEC is a different beast, now" argument any time someone wants to bring up an accomplishment in the past is irrelevant.
Some things needs to change, but I don't think they're unchangeable. Arkansas needs to get it's HS football together. Morris is off to a terrible start. I'm with you in thinking hiring him was a mistake when there were other options that seemed better, but he deserves his chance. I think the important thing is not holding onto him for too long if things don't improve. If we end year three without a bowl game, I don't know how we can justify keeping him while saying we're a major program or dedicated to winning. We can't let an entire decade of losing culture set in with no accomplishments outside of 2011 and 2012 going into the middle of the 2020s. I'm not sure how fan support statewide is supposed to recover from that.
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Posted on 11/2/18 at 3:25 pm to BoarEd
If I had to guess, I’d say most people think the Petrino years were as good as we can be. So to re-create that era as much as possible, they want an offensive minded coach, and just hope for a defense good enough to win games.
This ignores at least the last 25 years of history in college football, but hey we’re Arkansas. Nobody expects us to win anyway. It also ignores the fact that Petrino never won a game of significance while he was here, because a good defense almost always defeats a good offense.
This ignores at least the last 25 years of history in college football, but hey we’re Arkansas. Nobody expects us to win anyway. It also ignores the fact that Petrino never won a game of significance while he was here, because a good defense almost always defeats a good offense.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 3:40 pm to troyt37
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Nobody expects us to win anyway. It also ignores the fact that Petrino never won a game of significance while he was here
He did, but you'll just move the goalposts of "significance" if I argue that point, so I'll argue this one. If "never winning anything significant" means we get to win 10 or 11 games in a season again, I'll take it. If that happens (big IF), then we can all bicker on this board about what needs to happen to win "games of significance."
Posted on 11/2/18 at 3:50 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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He did, but you'll just move the goalposts of "significance" if I argue that point, so I'll argue this one.
I don’t have to move goalposts. You don’t want to discuss this point, because there is nothing to discuss.
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If "never winning anything significant" means we get to win 10 or 11 games in a season again, I'll take it. If that happens (big IF), then we can all bicker on this board about what needs to happen to win "games of significance."
Like I said, most believe the Petrino era was as good as we’ll ever be.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 3:59 pm to troyt37
The night the game of the century happened in 2011, Arkansas played south carolina. It was a top 10 match up. It would have been the game of the week if not for 1 vs 2. We won that game. Is that of significance? Im not sure, but i know it was a big game.
What i am sure of is that we should won the sugar bowl.
What i am sure of is that we should won the sugar bowl.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:09 pm to russellvillehog
Beating LSU in 2010 was a pretty big game too. Winning it got us to the biggest bowl game we've seen as a member of the SEC.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:27 pm to troyt37
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It also ignores the fact that Petrino never won a game of significance while he was here
We have already been down the whole road with you and BoarEd before the Morris hire but when you say stuff like this, it is hard to take you seriously. If you actually believe that he never had a "significant" win, your standards are ridiculously high.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:15 pm to rockiee
this thread was stupid when it was started and has digressed from there. way to represent hog fans
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:40 pm to rockiee
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If you actually believe that he never had a "significant" win, your standards are ridiculously high.
Yep. Dead horse. My standard for a win of significance hasn’t changed, and it’s not that high. Just a win that changes the landscape of college football for one season. Sure, we’ve had big wins, but it’s been a long time since one of our wins actually had implications for the national championship. Whether you can take me seriously or not because of it, reflects much more on you than me, because we both know I’m right.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:44 pm to troyt37
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Whether you can take me seriously or not because of it, reflects much more on you than me, because we both know I’m right.
Troy, damn man.. .You are speaking with quite a bit of pompous arrogance. Like you know something much more than others here. Not so bro. We have won some games of significance for the UofA in the past few years. At least significant for us..
We kept Ole Miss from a playoff bowl, kept bama in one. We beat several teams ranked higher than us with Petrino and a couple with Bert.
We were absolutely on the upper echelon landscape of college football during Petrinos 2 year run of being #5 in the Cotton Bowl, and going to the Sugar Bowl.
It is attainable... Prove Me Wrong! Otherwise, it is opinion only, and opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one, and some are one! and all of them stink!
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:59 pm to Razorback Reverend
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We kept Ole Miss from a playoff bowl, kept bama in one. We beat several teams ranked higher than us with Petrino and a couple with Bert.
Listen to yourself. We played the spoiler once. We’ve beaten some teams ranked higher than us. None of them did anything for our program. None of them put Arkansas in the picture among the best in college football. Every single game we played with those kind of implications, we lost.
I’m certainly not saying it isn’t attainable. I’m saying with the philosophy that Hog fans seem to want, any real success is going to be few and far between, because with the exception of Cam Newton’s Auburn team, the last 25+ years of college football history says defense wins the games of significance.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 7:12 pm to troyt37
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Whether you can take me seriously or not because of it, reflects much more on you than me, because we both know I’m right.
Nah, posters have already shown the flaws in your argument.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 7:13 pm to troyt37
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because with the exception of Cam Newton’s Auburn team, the last 25+ years of college football history says defense wins the games of significance.
You have such a linear view, tell me what type of recruiting classes the National Champions had in the past. That is a better indicator than any Offense vs Defense argument.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 7:54 pm to rockiee
Been there, done that. The single biggest indicator of a NC team is a top 10 defense, with one exception. I did all the homework and even showed my work, back when. Didn’t make a dent. I gave the average offense and defense for something like the last 25 years, along with the highest and lowest ranked for each. Cam/Auburn is the only national championship team to not have a top 10 defense in recent history. There have been many champions with top 20 and worse offenses, and not surprisingly very few champions with #1 offenses.
I wish I could remember, it was something like the number 1 defense had won 8 of the last 25 championships, and top 5 defenses had won something like 15 or 16, top 10 defenses are 24/25. This was before the end of last season, so IDK about how it sits now.
As it relates to us (Arkansas) it doesn’t matter. We didn’t go that direction. Offense will be good in a few years with this coach. The question now is, will we ever be able to field a defense that is able to stop people like Bama, LSU, Auburn, and aTm, more than their defens stops our offense? Chavis is getting some good kids on D, but he had good players at LSU and aTm, and very rarely got it done against the best.
I wish I could remember, it was something like the number 1 defense had won 8 of the last 25 championships, and top 5 defenses had won something like 15 or 16, top 10 defenses are 24/25. This was before the end of last season, so IDK about how it sits now.
As it relates to us (Arkansas) it doesn’t matter. We didn’t go that direction. Offense will be good in a few years with this coach. The question now is, will we ever be able to field a defense that is able to stop people like Bama, LSU, Auburn, and aTm, more than their defens stops our offense? Chavis is getting some good kids on D, but he had good players at LSU and aTm, and very rarely got it done against the best.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 7:59 pm to troyt37
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The single biggest indicator of a NC team is a top 10 defense
Actually this is wrong. The only thing ALL national champions have in common is a top 10 recruiting class by atleast 1 service. That is the only thing any one of them have in common. Clemson won theirs with 1 top 10 class. We will get one this year. So in the next 3-4 years we have a shot.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 8:12 pm to russellvillehog
How about we make the playoff before arguing the best strategy for our national championship
Posted on 11/2/18 at 8:17 pm to russellvillehog
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Actually this is wrong. The only thing ALL national champions have in common is a top 10 recruiting class by atleast 1 service.
Yeah, his rule has one exception at the very least. I don't think the top 10 class rule has an exception.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 8:19 pm to admiralduckwad
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How about we make the playoff before arguing the best strategy for our national championship
Right, some don't want to hear this but having the National Title or bust approach is never going to work in our position.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 8:26 pm to admiralduckwad
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How about we make the playoff before arguing the best strategy for our national championship
Winning the SEC is probably harder than a NC.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 8:29 pm to russellvillehog
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Actually this is wrong. The only thing ALL national champions have in common is a top 10 recruiting class by atleast 1 service. That is the only thing any one of them have in common. Clemson won theirs with 1 top 10 class. We will get one this year. So in the next 3-4 years we have a shot.
Is this a fact? Never heard that before. What are the parameters, and which services?
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