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re: For the record, who wants Morris fired/doesn't believe in him?
Posted on 10/28/18 at 5:54 pm to troyt37
Posted on 10/28/18 at 5:54 pm to troyt37
quote:A game after Storey completed 5 passes against one of the worst teams in the nation that isn't D-III and got completely outplayed by Kelley. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Morris starting Kelley in week 3. At that point both QB's had "won" a week and the starting job was still up in the air. Again, Storey was the correct move obviously, but at the time Storey had done nothing to secure the job as his own other than have a decent game against Eastern Illinois, which he followed up with his dumpster fire of a game against CSU.
Game 3 is the one where Kelley threw 4 picks and Morris still went with him.
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 5:58 pm
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Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:04 pm to Stonehog
quote:The total margin of victory for every game Arkansas won without Austin Allen last year is a grand total of 2 points and those came against Ole Miss and Coastal Carolina. It's not worse. It's the same shite players giving the same shite results.
One year. And now it's worse.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:05 pm to Drewbie
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A game after Storey completed 5 passes against one of the worst teams in the nation that isn't D-III. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Morris starting Kelley in week 3. At that point both QB's had "won" a week and the starting job was still up in the air.
Right. His first college start. So Kelley won the job, somehow, Storey comes in and wins game 1. Storey starts game 2, doesn’t play well, Kelley comes in and looks good. Kelley starts game 3, is dogshit, throws multiple interceptions, and Morris sticks with him like he has no options, until the crowd damn near goes crazy.
So yes, just like with Bielema, Kelley was the guy for Morris, and he even got a second shot at it in game 3.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:12 pm to troyt37
quote:Against Colorado State. 5/13 for 36 yards and 2 INT's isn't good against a team like that, I don't care if it's your first start ever or you're a redshirt senior in his last game.
His first college start.
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Morris sticks with him like he has no options, until the crowd damn near goes crazy.
You forgot the part where he put in 2 other QB's and it wasn't any better as they both threw INT's as well.
Spoiler Alert: We don't have a good QB. Morris actually doesn't have a ton of options.
quote:He's 3rd on the depth chart. He's not the guy for Morris. It's really easy to sit here in week 9 and retroactively trash Morris for his decisions using context available to you that wasn't available to him at the time. In week 3 we had no QB that had stepped up to secure the starting spot, so he started the guy with starting SEC experience coming off a very efficient 2 TD performance the week prior. It's really not rocket science.
Kelley was the guy for Morris
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:38 pm to ocelot4ark
All for Chaggy, assuming by year 4 we are in a bowl. We will be shite next year too.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:41 pm to Drewbie
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Against Colorado State. 5/13 for 36 yards and 2 INT's isn't good against a team like that, I don't care if it's your first start ever or you're a redshirt senior in his last game.
You’re right. Totally unheard of for a qb to look like shite in his first start. Gotcha.
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You forgot the part where he put in 2 other QB's and it wasn't any better as they both threw INT's as well.
I forget, was that before or after Morris sent him out to get his fourth interception? Wasn’t that when the crowd lost their mind?
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Spoiler Alert: We don't have a good QB. Morris actually doesn't have a ton of options.
Actually we do. His name is Ty Storey. If Bielema wasn’t all about who was the coolest and most fun to hang out with, Storey probably would have gotten some time under his belt, and we would have been in a much better position to start this year. I think Ty being an Arkansas boy, with both Bielema and Kelley being transplants may have played a part in that.
Regardless, Morris went with Kelley as well, which was disappointing, and made doubly disappointing after seeing what Storey could do with an honest shot at being the guy.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:42 pm to RunningBlake
Chadwick... all in, still.....
Yet, Colorado State Check, Vandy Check, No wins in conference year 1.. Probably Check, Some play calls that make me Malzahn look like a genius Check, Hammerdown, full tilt boogie BS Check.
Its a show me world... boy howdy, he sure has thus far.
Keep the recruiting up, show us....
Yet, Colorado State Check, Vandy Check, No wins in conference year 1.. Probably Check, Some play calls that make me Malzahn look like a genius Check, Hammerdown, full tilt boogie BS Check.
Its a show me world... boy howdy, he sure has thus far.
Keep the recruiting up, show us....
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:48 pm to Razorback Reverend
Bert would probably have 4 or 5 wins now. I think Chad is doing it a better way though. Have to give him at least 4 years, probably 5 or 6 to see.
He doesn't have a qb. It will take a couple more years just bc of that.
He doesn't have a qb. It will take a couple more years just bc of that.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:55 pm to Razorback Reverend
He had a schedule this year that would require great underachieving to miss a bowl.
4 sure wins ooc, wins 2.
Vandy on a schedule that contains the Ms schools and mizzou. Should at least win half of those, instead wins none most likely.
Any other coach at Arkansas going back 50 years would have been expected to win 6-8 games with this schedule. Chad is likely to win 2.
Everyone is going to take from that what they want.
4 sure wins ooc, wins 2.
Vandy on a schedule that contains the Ms schools and mizzou. Should at least win half of those, instead wins none most likely.
Any other coach at Arkansas going back 50 years would have been expected to win 6-8 games with this schedule. Chad is likely to win 2.
Everyone is going to take from that what they want.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 6:58 pm to RunningBlake
Petrino and Bert both didn't "have a QB" when they arrived here, they ended up utilizing what was on campus to achieve more than 2 wins on the year.
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Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:05 pm to troyt37
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Right. His first college start. So Kelley won the job, somehow, Storey comes in and wins game 1. Storey starts game 2, doesn’t play well, Kelley comes in and looks good. Kelley starts game 3, is dogshit, throws multiple interceptions, and Morris sticks with him like he has no options, until the crowd damn near goes crazy.
What difference would it have made to put Storey in? We were already down enough that there was no point.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:06 pm to DaleDenton
quote:Petrino had a senior QB that had started more than 20 games when he got there. That's way different than what Morris got.
Petrino and Bert both didn't "have a QB" when they arrived here, they ended up utilizing what was on campus to achieve more than 2 wins on the year.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:22 pm to Drewbie
Like the argument has never been made that dick was trash before petrino arrived.
Flawed but one that has been made.
Fact is even with this multiple game starter petrino started a true freshman in Wilson against Texas and tried tirelessly to use the little dick the remainder of the season before going back to good dick all the while still winning 5 games and was a missed field goal way from maki g a bowl. This for a roster that was basically completely new, those who didn't buy in were booted from the team, losses were not tolerated, narrow wins were not celebrated.
When trying to change the culture, he didn't settle for the hugs and frandz approach after taking over for a coach who used this method (same as Bert). We saw the culture completely changed by year 3, now chad needs double that with a roster that will be basically new next season?
Flawed but one that has been made.
Fact is even with this multiple game starter petrino started a true freshman in Wilson against Texas and tried tirelessly to use the little dick the remainder of the season before going back to good dick all the while still winning 5 games and was a missed field goal way from maki g a bowl. This for a roster that was basically completely new, those who didn't buy in were booted from the team, losses were not tolerated, narrow wins were not celebrated.
When trying to change the culture, he didn't settle for the hugs and frandz approach after taking over for a coach who used this method (same as Bert). We saw the culture completely changed by year 3, now chad needs double that with a roster that will be basically new next season?
Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:41 pm to gohogs141
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What difference would it have made to put Storey in? We were already down enough that there was no point.
It wouldn’t have. The whole discussion was about the fact that Morris essentially came up with the same answer as one of our worst coaches ever, when it comes to Kelley and Storey. And now Ty has made it painfully obvious that both Bert and Chad made the wrong choice. As far as Bielema is concerned, it’s oh well. Dude is gone. Different story with Morris.
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:56 pm to troyt37
Story had the job after spring was over correct?
Only to have the spot opened back up to start the fall?
Maybe a little decisiveness on chads part one way or the other for this position and others would have caused more guys to buy in from the get go and possibly have had October end before Arkansas's bowl chances ended for the season.
Only to have the spot opened back up to start the fall?
Maybe a little decisiveness on chads part one way or the other for this position and others would have caused more guys to buy in from the get go and possibly have had October end before Arkansas's bowl chances ended for the season.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:59 pm to Drewbie
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Petrino had a senior QB that had started more than 20 games when he got there. That's way different than what Morris got.
Nutt had Dick and taught him everything
Posted on 10/28/18 at 8:16 pm to ocelot4ark
Morris will win big here. His system revolves around the qb and skill position players, which are the positions we have zero talent at.
And for the record I wanted Bert fired after his first season.
And for the record I wanted Bert fired after his first season.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 8:19 pm to DaleDenton
I never heard that, just know Kelley got the start game one, and then again game 3. On one hand, it’s encouraging that apparently Storey eventually played himself into a legitimate shot. On the other, it makes you wonder WTF do they see and do in practice? I mean crap, almost every one of us knew the first time we saw Kelley play that he had a big arm, but didn’t seem to know what to do with it.
Storey was smarter, more athletic, more mobile, but doesn’t have the big arm. You have to think that unless there is something big wrong with Storey that we just don’t know about, he would be the obvious choice. He has now proven that anyone should have been able to have made the correct decision there. It’s troublesome.
Storey was smarter, more athletic, more mobile, but doesn’t have the big arm. You have to think that unless there is something big wrong with Storey that we just don’t know about, he would be the obvious choice. He has now proven that anyone should have been able to have made the correct decision there. It’s troublesome.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 8:25 pm to troyt37
quote:You act like there hasn't ever been a case where a QB looked really good in practice but it never translated to games and vice-versa. Stuff like this happens all the time with QB's and even further beyond just college. Why was Romo undrafted? Why was Tom Brady taken 199th? There's stuff that you don't see until it's on the field in a game.
On the other, it makes you wonder WTF do they see and do in practice? I mean crap, almost every one of us knew the first time we saw Kelley play that he had a big arm, but didn’t seem to know what to do with it.
Storey was smarter, more athletic, more mobile, but doesn’t have the big arm. You have to think that unless there is something big wrong with Storey that we just don’t know about, he would be the obvious choice. He has now proven that anyone should have been able to have made the correct decision there. It’s troublesome.
Obviously Storey couldn't do enough in practice to outright win the job and/or Kelley was a really good practice QB.
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 10/28/18 at 8:26 pm to troyt37
IIRC he was named the starter consign out of spring then thejob opened back up was announced just before fall, you could speculate that the reason was to keep storey from transferring before the season and fill the back up role for this season, which based on what we saw would be plausible.
Whoever said if you have a two qbs playing for a team then you have no qbs on a team wasn't wrong.
So agree Storey isn't likely to be the QB going forward, yet we are being led to believe the answer is a guy who lost his job at Clemson and quit the team or a project from Mississippi? Ok that's obviously where the 6 year turn around number is stemming from.
Whoever said if you have a two qbs playing for a team then you have no qbs on a team wasn't wrong.
So agree Storey isn't likely to be the QB going forward, yet we are being led to believe the answer is a guy who lost his job at Clemson and quit the team or a project from Mississippi? Ok that's obviously where the 6 year turn around number is stemming from.
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