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re: Can someone be a contraian on Basket Ball, without being bashed?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:49 pm to ArHog
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:49 pm to ArHog
It is the same crap different verse from MA supporters. I was upset over the season two years ago but gave him a chance because he had started doing what I criticized him the most for, and that was recruiting. Two years later and I have pretty much given up on the guy. Each season it is the same story, different chapter. Talented team, no identity on either side of the floor. Defense is terrible, offense is isolation, good zone defenses shut Arkansas down. The last 3/4 of the season fans are bickering about what we need to do just to make the tourney instead of bickering about how great of a seed we will have.
The fact we are to the point where some of our good posters actually argue with me about not really needing more than ONE(1)road win to make the tourney shows to me, just where the program is at and what the fans thoughts are.
I am just sick of it. We have good fans. They have showed up in droves this year because they hoped we had a very good team again. The product in year 7 is not representative of where the sell out crowds expect it to be.
The new administration isn't going to put up with Mike Anderson losing. No matter what Dale posts on here, Mike Anderson needs to win and he needs to win now if he wants to be here very much longer. HY called him out in his opening press conference and he has not backed down off of what he expects out of his coaches.
The fact we are to the point where some of our good posters actually argue with me about not really needing more than ONE(1)road win to make the tourney shows to me, just where the program is at and what the fans thoughts are.
I am just sick of it. We have good fans. They have showed up in droves this year because they hoped we had a very good team again. The product in year 7 is not representative of where the sell out crowds expect it to be.
The new administration isn't going to put up with Mike Anderson losing. No matter what Dale posts on here, Mike Anderson needs to win and he needs to win now if he wants to be here very much longer. HY called him out in his opening press conference and he has not backed down off of what he expects out of his coaches.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:57 pm to Hawgeye
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HY called him out in his opening press conference and he has not backed down off of what he expects out of his coaches.
Is this why he guaranteed Mike he would have 4 recruiting classes with the basketball operations center being completed to work with?
Mike Anderson will not be fired after this season, he will end his career by retiring while at Arkansas.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:13 pm to DaleDenton
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Is this why he guaranteed Mike he would have 4 recruiting classes with the basketball operations center being completed to work with?
Mike Anderson will not be fired after this season, he will end his career by retiring while at Arkansas.
Who said he would be fired after this season? I said he better start winning or he will not be here much longer.
You know that, which is why you throw in the "retirement" blurb in your last statement.
If you know anything, then you know what he has been told. Win or be gone. Losing to non P5 schools OOC is not acceptable. Being on the bubble in year 7 is not acceptable. Not winning enough is cause for termination. If you know what you say you know, then you should know MA does NOT have a lot of support from the BOT.
You referenced the baseball program getting their indoor facility before Mike getting the basketball center. Well, what you failed to mention was that DVH had already raised most of the money needed for the baseball indoor center. Long took some(most)of that money and put into the new football ops center. DVH was pissed and raised hell to the BOT about it. That is why he got his first. The BOT have always been behind the baseball program, but not so much the basketball program under Mike Anderson. So for you to sit there and say that Mike Anderson will "retire" here and his job is not in jeopardy is pure ludicrous and you know it, if you know as much as what you want everyone here to believe.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:23 pm to Hawgeye
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Who said he would be fired after this season? I said he better start winning or he will not be here much longer.
Is this why his contract was just extended?
Because he's not going to be here much longer.
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The BOT have always been behind the baseball program, but not so much the basketball program under Mike Anderson.
It has not just been under Mike Anderson. This is why you get out bid by Illinois for Self and end up hiring Stan Heath.
DVH missing post season play completely while having a losing season in year 13 was perfectly acceptable however.
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Not winning enough is cause for termination.
No where in any coaches contract are you going to find that a winning % below a certain amount is cause for termination. If it were buyouts wouldn't be paid.
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If you know what you say you know, then you should know MA does NOT have a lot of support from the BOT.
The BOT does not hire and fire HCs, they did however approve extending his contract this year.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:31 pm to DaleDenton
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Is this why his contract was just extended?
Because he's not going to be here much longer.
Surely you're smarter than this.
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It has not just been under Mike Anderson. This is why you get out bid by Illinois for Self and end up hiring Stan Heath.
That was Frank Broyles doing.
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DVH missing post season play completely while having a losing season in year 13 was perfectly acceptable however.
This post is as dumb as it gets. It doesn't deserve an answer. If Mike Anderson would have had half the success as DVH, I wouldn't be on his arse like I am.
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No where in any coaches contract are you going to find that a winning % below a certain amount is cause for termination. If it were buyouts wouldn't be paid.
Your posts get dumber by the minute. You're correct. Programs always keep coaches around who lose and do not live up to what they believe the program should be doing.
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The BOT does not hire and fire HCs
You really just posted that after the last 4 months of what has been going on in the athletic department?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:41 pm to DaleDenton
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DVH missing post season play completely while having a losing season in year 13 was perfectly acceptable however.
LOLOLOLOL, I knew this was coming, I can always count on you for a slam dunk DVH dig.
DVH and Mike's career at Arkansas doesn't even compare.
Omaha
Sweet 16
Which one of these is not like the other?
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:44 pm to Hawgeye
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That was Frank Broyles doing.
No it wasn't. Broyles was given a cap what he could pay, which was slightly less than Nolan was being paid, Illinois was willing to pay more than Nolan was being paid.
But Self wanted the job.
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This post is as dumb as it gets. It doesn't deserve an answer.
So it was perfectly acceptable to you to finish with a losing record in baseball in year 13.
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You're correct. Programs always keep coaches around who lose and do not live up to what they believe the program should be doing.
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quote:. It is not in any contract of any HC at Arkansas that not winning enough is cause for termination. Not winning enough leads to firing for convenience and a buyout being paid.
Not winning enough is cause for termination.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:46 pm to ArHog
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Omaha
Sweet 16
Which one of these is not like the other?
They are not comparible so why even try to compare the two?
When a team has the ability to host the first two weekends of the tournament at home and the tourney is no longer single elimination, let me know.
But I'll file that as two who find losing seasons in year 13 perfectly acceptable for some here.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:04 pm to DaleDenton
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But I'll file that as two who find losing seasons in year 13 perfectly acceptable for some here.
I'll file that under Perry Costello fricked us in Omaha in 2012 for $500 Alex.
Getting to Omaha gives you some cred IMO, not making the sweet 16, not so much.
I'll reserve my final opinion of the job Mike has done in year 7 when the season is over.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:13 pm to ArHog
quote:I doubt it takes me that long....
I'll reserve my final opinion of the job Mike has done in year 7 when the season is over.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:33 pm to redeye
I was under the impression that Scott Edgar was considered one of the top recruiters during his time at Arkansas.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:40 pm to Razorback Reverend
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How is Rick Barnes, Pearl, even Andy Freaking Kennedy and Haith doing better than MA, when he has had 7 year
Take out MA and replace with JC... And I'm not comparing us to Kentucky, I'm just saying that they're having better seasons than them too.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:16 pm to cubsfan5150
And has been to the final four, and sweet 16, and won an NC and...... Cheated his butt off....
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:26 pm to cubsfan5150
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Take out MA and replace with JC..
I'm out Piofeet
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:51 pm to DaleDenton
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Mike Anderson will not be fired after this season, he will end his career by retiring while at Arkansas.
MA fans must be thrilled.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:53 pm to DaleDenton
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They are not comparible so why even try to compare the two?
They aren't sports played against other sports teams in sports leagues in front of sports fans on sports networks? If they aren't comparable, you're a dumbass. I know which one I'm going with.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:55 pm to piggilicious
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I think sometimes the contrarians get griped at because they say exactly what's already been said time and time again. But they say it in an antagonistic way- as if the rest of us are thrilled with how the season has played out.
I think I've been called just about every name in the book for questioning MA's coaching. Namely by 2 of MA's biggest buddies. Go back and search our posts. You'll find PLENTY of me giving credit to MA and literally ZERO of them being critical. But I'm a miserable person that's racist, dumb, etc.
I made the mistake of thinking it was appropriate to talk about my sports team on a sports board. I was mistaken. Obviously, the only thing people want to hear is rainbows and lollipops, because if we don't TALK ABOUT IT, it's not happening.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 7:01 am to Razorback Reverend
I am getting restless as well. I don't believe we have gotten what we are paying for over 7 years.
The talent level and recruiting seems to be on the up trend, but that should have started happening 3 or 4 years ago.
The honeymoon is over. It's time to start seeing results of the 7 year investment.
This team is talented, but is baffling at times as well. Also doesn't have quite the depth it needs to play 'fastest 40.'
Mike could get on a run and finally start living up to expectations. Or not.
The talent level and recruiting seems to be on the up trend, but that should have started happening 3 or 4 years ago.
The honeymoon is over. It's time to start seeing results of the 7 year investment.
This team is talented, but is baffling at times as well. Also doesn't have quite the depth it needs to play 'fastest 40.'
Mike could get on a run and finally start living up to expectations. Or not.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:34 am to Razorback Reverend
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Here we are in year 7 with the following information. Against several coaches hired since MA, and they are doing better than we are. It is year 7 folks... Missouri, Alabama, TAMU, and Tenner should not be better programs than Arkansas period.
Year 7 this year 7 that, look let's be honest it really doesn't matter how we get in the tournament. All that mateers is what we do when we get there and if we go to the sweet 16 this season will be the greatest we've had in over 20 years. That's why i find all this bitching about year 7 to be ridiculous. We don't even know how it ends yet year 7 could be the greatest year in nearly 2 decades but people are way too short sighted and want to bitch about a rough stretch of games. Hell, i'm actually kinda happy we skidded there for a second so now we don't have to deal with another 8 or 9 seed hopefully. Much much rather be a 10 or 11 than a 9 or 8 but i would be happy if we ended the season well enough to move back up that much. If we can keep this momentum going we should finish the regular season rolling at the right time. Almoat every team goes through rough stretches and 'm glad we're through the worst of it before the last stretch of the season. Can we please stop bitching about how "year 7" is going and save the melting for if the wheels truly fall off.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:04 am to HogFanfromHTown
Nahh! I would prefer to have our team unbelievably talented by year ???? Yeah, seven would do it. We have been blown out by supposedly lesser programs after our HC having 7 years to get it done. We should not be having to wonder if we will be the first 4 out this late in a season, in season 7. We are mediocre.
Could we make a run? Sure... hope so, but why does it always seem to come down to the wire.
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