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re: Biddy Luke Fickel update: clarifies Saturday post
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:05 pm to CFB_Fanatic
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:05 pm to CFB_Fanatic
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SEC West stout? Because thats what I was comparing it to
Then in your mind, every coach we’re discussing plays in a weak conference because no division in the country compares to the SEC West. Also the AAC is better than the ACC and PAC 12 easily right now.
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Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:06 pm to Razorback Reverend
Fair point. I will admit that I dont know the ins and outs of the OSU roster that year. But I do remember there being a depleted roster
Still, 6-6 is pretty hard to overlook.
Still, 6-6 is pretty hard to overlook.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:34 pm to The_Joker
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Also the AAC is better than the ACC and PAC 12 easily right now.
ACC maybe. 100% not as good as the PAC. Arizona St would beat every team in the AAC handily.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:45 pm to CFB_Fanatic
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ACC maybe. 100% not as good as the PAC. Arizona St would beat every team in the AAC handily.
And Clemson would destroy most of the teams in the SEC. I’m sure the ACC drops off drastically beyond Clemson, but the SEC doesn’t look so stout without Bama.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:46 pm to troyt37
I believe this is the smoke screen fwiw.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:01 pm to WaveHog
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based on what?
He has never left the state of Ohio and he won fricking 6 games with Ohio State talent who wins 10 games on average.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:17 pm to The_Joker
I’m guessing the Joker is in support of Lane Kiffin.
I swear he was sporting a Kiffen avi some years ago.
I swear he was sporting a Kiffen avi some years ago.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:35 pm to Muleriderhog
There were some mitigating circumstances with that Ohio State team though... you don’t normally lose your coach and do great that year
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:47 pm to Muleriderhog
This whole "Bielema 2.0" thing is silly. Know who else was a Midwesterner? Nick Saban. He made the jump to the south just fine. Why? Because he's a damn good coach and players want to play for damn good coaches.
You get the best coach available, IMO. If it's Fickell, great. If not, great. But the decision shouldn't be made based on where the guy comes from.
Speaking of Ohio (and this dovetails into the Fickell convo a little), if we are going to shite on Fickell because Butch Jones also coached at Cincinnati, we should all have Matt Campbell at the top of our list because he came through Toledo. As did both Nick Saban and Gary Pinkel.
I mean, since that's all the depth we need to go to on our evaluations it should be fine.
Fickell = no good because Butch Jones
Campbell = best ever because Nick Saban
There's been some damn good coaches to come out of Ohio.
You get the best coach available, IMO. If it's Fickell, great. If not, great. But the decision shouldn't be made based on where the guy comes from.
Speaking of Ohio (and this dovetails into the Fickell convo a little), if we are going to shite on Fickell because Butch Jones also coached at Cincinnati, we should all have Matt Campbell at the top of our list because he came through Toledo. As did both Nick Saban and Gary Pinkel.
I mean, since that's all the depth we need to go to on our evaluations it should be fine.
Fickell = no good because Butch Jones
Campbell = best ever because Nick Saban
There's been some damn good coaches to come out of Ohio.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:57 pm to BoarEd
Norvell, Leach, Kiffin, Fickel. Which one would have the largest recruiting disadvantage to deal with? I think it’s Fickel, and it’s not close. Followed by Norvel, Leach, then Kiffin. I worry the least about recruiting with Kiffin.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:08 pm to troyt37
I don't know, man. I agree that Kiffin is gonna be the best recruiter in that list there. Especially if he can bring Pittman with him. But Fickell may be better at it than you'd think.
Here's a pretty thorough breakdown of his recruiting results at Cincinnati. Good article.
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Out of the guys you listed I would most like to see Kiffin hired. But I'd still rather see Campbell than Kiffin.
Here's a pretty thorough breakdown of his recruiting results at Cincinnati. Good article.
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Out of the guys you listed I would most like to see Kiffin hired. But I'd still rather see Campbell than Kiffin.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:16 pm to BoarEd
I just dont see us winning jack dickel with luke fickell. He feels like bert 2.0 to me
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:19 pm to BoarEd
Cincinnati is at #48 right now, and finished at #79 last year on 24/7. Obviously, you have to do something with them once signed, but recruiting would be a worry with Fickel for me. At least Norvell pulls a bunch of kids from MS to his program.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:19 pm to russellvillehog
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He feels like
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feels
Sounds like a good enough reason to me. I'm gonna call Hunter Yurachek in the morning and advise him to save himself some time by crossing Fickell off his list.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:22 pm to troyt37
Kids that larger schools have passed over.
What happens when he starts recruiting head-to-head against Nick Saban and Saban starts negatively recruiting him by dropping hints about womanizing and gambling?
I know those rumors are probably a spot for contention among some, and maybe the rumors are bullshite, but they're out there. And they'll be used against him.
What happens when he starts recruiting head-to-head against Nick Saban and Saban starts negatively recruiting him by dropping hints about womanizing and gambling?
I know those rumors are probably a spot for contention among some, and maybe the rumors are bullshite, but they're out there. And they'll be used against him.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:32 pm to BoarEd
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Kids that larger schools have passed over.
He’s doing pretty well with them.
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What happens when he starts recruiting head-to-head against Nick Saban and Saban starts negatively recruiting him by dropping hints about womanizing and gambling?
I know those rumors are probably a spot for contention among some, and maybe the rumors are bullshite, but they're out there. And they'll be used against him.
Well, I don’t know. But I hope he starts dropping hints about kids being processed and kids being used up and injured unnecessarily by Saban and company. I wouldn’t think it too difficult to sell Saban putting championships for himself and the university ahead of the well being and health of potential recruits.
People want to get dirty, get dirty with them. They treat you with respect, you do the same.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:33 pm to BoarEd
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This whole "Bielema 2.0" thing is silly. Know who else was a Midwesterner? Nick Saban. He made the jump to the south just fine. Why? Because he's a damn good coach and players want to play for damn good coaches.
For every saban there is about 10 butch jones, Bert's, and joe mooreheads. There I just listed 3 northerners who came here and got killed without even having to think to hard about it. I bet I can find a few more in the last 7 years
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:37 pm to russellvillehog
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For every saban there is about 10 butch jones, Bert's, and joe mooreheads. There I just listed 3 northerners who came here and got killed without even having to think to hard about it. I bet I can find a few more in the last 7 years
Agreed. This is why I wouldn't hinge my decision to support a coach or not based on where they come from. For good or bad. It seems intellectually lazy.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:38 pm to BoarEd
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What happens when he starts recruiting head-to-head against Nick Saban and Saban starts negatively recruiting him by dropping hints about womanizing and gambling?
I know what I wouldve said about that at 17.....
"REALLY? He gambles and bangs chicks?? Where do I sign?"
These kids are sending nudes in snapchat by the time they are 15 years old. Come on man. It aint 1960 anymore.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:41 pm to BoarEd
I'm not trying to base it on that. I am basing it on experience recruiting certain areas. Which he has florida, ohio, illinois, mich and wisc I believe. Wow sounds very similar to bert. We already learned that florida kids are not by and large coming here. So his pull there will be negligible. Secondly of all the names I have seen his offense is the most plodding, and least modern. Another similarity. He does not have the history norvell does of hiring coordinators who move on to bigger better jobs. He has not hired a staff close to what kiffin can bring.
I could keep going, but fickell should be our back up, back up option, and I mean behind names like clark, Harsin, mendenhall.
I could keep going, but fickell should be our back up, back up option, and I mean behind names like clark, Harsin, mendenhall.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 11:42 pm
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