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Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:54 pm to
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The NBA seems to regard its constantly improving minor league system, the G League, as superior to the NCAA for developing premier talent.



What is this based on that the G league is better than college at developing players than college? This is the first year that college players have went to the G league and we don't know how they are gonna be developed and if it's gonna be better. We do know that college is good at developing players.

I would rather play for Coach K, Chris Beard, Nate Oats ect to get developed than Sam Mitchell, who is coaching Jalen Green's team.

Sami Mitchell's claim to fame was coaching the Raptors from 04 - 09 where he had a win loss record of 185 wins and 242 loses. You're telling me is is better at developing a player than a top college coach is?
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 6:57 pm
Posted by Dolphin1
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:59 pm to
I hear what you're saying but all these players will be playing at different places regardless of the league. Scouts will invest time traveling to see all 40.
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:06 pm to
Probably based on multiple factors such as offering six figure contracts to high school kids, the ability to personally coach these players individually as much as they want to, acclimating them to NBA style offensive and defensive basketball, four 12 minute quarters instead of two halves, life skills training relative to the NBA lifestyle, etc.

This Select Team is geared for and designed to develop players on and off the court for successful NBA careers. Why wouldn't the NBA think they could do that better than anyone else?
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:09 pm to
Right, but there are 4 guys have the potential to be first round picks in the G league and 40+ in college, so as a scout you are gonna spend more time scouting college basketball.

I'm not saying going to the G league you won't be scouted as hard, I think you'll be scouted about the same either way. It's gonna come down to how talented you are as to where you go in the draft. All these top guys are gonna be scouted like you said.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 7:15 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:12 pm to
That's their selling point is that they can do it better but it's not been proven. What are they gonna say that they can't develop players as good as college but come anyway?

Obviously not many players are buying that the G league can do it better so far since the vast majority are turning down the six figure G league offers to go play in college.
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:34 pm to
Lets see you get 6 figures to play basketball where just as many scouts if not more are going to be watching you.........and if your basketball career doesn’t work out they are going to give you over $100,000 to go back to school....... I’m sorry if I was a HS kid I pick G-League everytime.
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:52 pm to
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"The NBA seems to regard its constantly improving minor league system, the G League, as superior to the NCAA for developing premier talent. This is true even though the G League costs the NBA and its owners money."

You think it's a bad investment and you're willing to die on that hill for reasons I don't understand, while the NBA and its owners are taking the opposite approach.


Exactly. Calling it a bad investment is like saying MLB shouldn't pay large sums of money to kids just to put them in the minors for a few years. It isn't about the money. It's about creating an in house player development program to weed out as many busts as they can early on at a fraction of the cost of a lottery contract.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 7:53 pm
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:55 pm to
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This is the first year that college players have went to the G league and we don't know how they are gonna be developed and if it's gonna be better.


I'm glad that after two weeks of multiple people going back and forth with you on this exact point that you are finally seeing this point.

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We do know that college is good at developing players.


Meh. Being the only burger joint in town doesn't mean you make a good burger. Many players have developed in college obviously, but many have also fallen completely off the map and never realized their potential. Then there is all of the one and done type players that could have gone straight to the NBA if not for the one and done rule being put in place.

The NBA and NCAA were in bed together for many years, which is why the one and done rule was implemented - with college basketball essentially being a free minor league system for the NBA. Now the NBA appears to be taking some of their power back from the NCAA with the G League Select Team along with the possibility of eliminating the one and done rule again within the next five years.

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I would rather play for Coach K, Chris Beard, Nate Oats ect


That is your personal preference. Other people will prefer guaranteed money immediately along with everything else the NBA can offer that the NCAA will refuse. One thing I know for sure about life is that it is much better to have options than to force a square peg into a round hole. The G League isn't for everyone, but neither is college.

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Sam Mitchell, who is coaching Jalen Green's team.


Shareef Abdur-Rahim said that has not been decided yet.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:59 pm to
So how many players do ya'll think go to the G league instead of college most years on average? I said 4 - 5 most years with the high side being as many as 8 some years, and you all seem to be disagreeing with me, so how many are you thinking? 15 a year? 20?
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:08 pm to
Have to wait and see how the G League and the Select Team evolve for a year or two. Right now there is only one Select Team and no details that I know of as far as roster construction. Not sure if they will have 10 players or 20 players. Still too many unknowns at this point.
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:19 pm to
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Have to wait and see how the G League and the Select Team evolve for a year or two. Right now there is only one Select Team and no details that I know of as far as roster construction. Not sure if they will have 10 players or 20 players. Still too many unknowns at this point.


Hell it'll be a good 7-10 years before there is enough information available to even know whether or not there is any long term benefit from going the G-League route. You'll have to see how the first 2 or 3 groups who opt for that do in the NBA compared to their college counterparts.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:39 pm to
I am interested to see where RJ Hampton goes in this years draft.

247 had the top 3 guards ranked Anthony Edwards, Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton in last years class, all were ranked as top 5 recruits.

Most mocks have Edwards and Anthony being taken in the top 5 picks of the draft with Hampton going anywhere from 10 - 20, so it appears that going to the Australian league instead of college may have hurt his draft stock.

If Hampton goes 15th he possible cost himself about 3 million dollars a year by not going to college.

This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:55 pm to
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If Hampton goes 15th he possible cost himself about 3 million dollars a year by not going to college.


You are once again just talking out of your arse to bolster your own heavily biased opinion. There is literally zero evidence that Hampton would have been a top 5 pick if he had gone to college. You also conveniently ignore Lamelo Ball, who opted not to go to college and is now a consensus top 5 pick, and James Wiseman - also a top 5 pick - who played a grand total of 3 fricking games of college basketball because Penny's shady arse got caught. Then there are guys like Deni Avdija and Killian Hayes who are going to be lottery picks having never set foot on an American college campus.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:01 pm to
Well he was a top 5 recruit coming out of HS and was projected to be a top 6 or 7 pick in most preseason mock drafts so if he drops outside the top 15 on draft day then his stock has definitely dropped.

Before the season most mocks has Edwards, Anthony, and Hampton all going in the top 6 or 7.

If Anthony goes in the top 5 even though he was injured most of the year and Hampton falls out of the top 10, or possibly top 15 even that's pretty telling.


This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:10 pm to
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Before the season most mocks has Edwards, Anthony, and Hampton all going in the top 6 or 7.


Mock drafts a year in advance mean absolutely nothing.

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If Anthony goes in the top 5 even though he was injured most of the year and Hampton falls out of the top 10, or possibly top 15 even that's pretty telling.


It says that Cole Anthony is considered a better NBA prospect than RJ Hampton by most of the franchises with top 10 picks. No more and no less.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:19 pm to
Well before the season Anthony and Hamptons draft stock was basically the same, Anthony was the 4th ranked player in the class and Hampton was 5th.

Some mocks had Hampton being Drafted before Anthony.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:34 pm to
Pre-season mock drafts are, again, totally meaningless. As are recruiting rankings when it comes to how NBA teams value prospects.
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:43 pm to
I think the NBA is playing the long game here. They’ve looked around and said the G league sucks, is losing money, and is failing at it’s intended purpose: develop players into NBA players. How do we fix it? They see what they want with the baseball minor league system. The system siphons most of the best players from high school and college and develops them for the major leagues in a farm system that doesn’t lose big money and weeds out the guys that can’t cut it. How do they emulate that in the G-league?

Start by signing the top players straight outta high school. Ok, they figured out how to do that. It’s not a lot so far, but it’s a start. And my guess is they will bust their arse to see that this handful gets groomed by the best coaches available and be given every opportunity to grow into NBA players. Repeat the process next year with a maybe 7 or 8. If they are successful, the program grows and the G-league becomes a true minor league system and college basketball will have to find a way to coexist with it the same way baseball has.

It can be done but it will be a disruptive process for a few years. If I’m right, I figure the NBA will be happy if they can siphon off enough players to make the G-league worth watching and competitive enough to develop players throughout the league, not just on the Select team. Something along the line of 25-30 players out of the top 50. If they can get that many and send 10-15 a year to the NBA, they got what they wanted.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 10:57 pm to
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Start by signing the top players straight outta high school. Ok, they figured out how to do that. It’s not a lot so far, but it’s a start. And my guess is they will bust their arse to see that this handful gets groomed by the best coaches available and be given every opportunity to grow into NBA players.


This is a major problem with them competing with college in player development, college has great coaches, the G league does not. What great coaches are gonna want to coach in the G league? The G league can't pay coaches millions of dollars. What good coach is gonna leave college or the NBA and willingly go to the G league to coach? It's not gonna happen.

Sam Mitchell, who is rumored to coach Jalen Green's team has a head coahing record of 185 and 242 is currently out of coaching and "investing in a tex mex restaurants".


quote:

“I’m doing some things,” Sam Mitchell said of his future on a podcast with Bill Rhoden last week. “I am investing in some Tex-Mex restaurants called Barbarosa.






This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 2:54 am
Posted by RTN
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:12 pm to
If this argument lasts all offseason I might kill myself
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