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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:15 pm to Chadaristic
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:15 pm to Chadaristic
So realistically the G league probably offered every recruit ranked in the top 40 and 4 accepted the offer so far.
I say top 40 because Cliff Omoruyi is ranked 41st and claims he was offered.
I assume as the top guys turned them down they started offering guys lower down the list.
I say top 40 because Cliff Omoruyi is ranked 41st and claims he was offered.
I assume as the top guys turned them down they started offering guys lower down the list.
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:17 pm to Chadaristic
College basketball recruiting has become a shite show now.
With all the payoffs to top recruits,transfer waivers,constant transfers,pro offers from abroad,one and done crap and now big money offers from NBA G-League!
It's become worse than College Baseball it seems. The G-League has become the full fledged Minor league of NBA.
You can spend all your time/money/effort recruiting players against 300+ Schools get them to commit and then sign and still not be able to get them on campus.
It's a new world out there and something will have to change drastically. End result will be a poorer product on the floor in colleges. Spectacular players and plays will be few and far between. Blue Bloods will be after players we usually get and we will be chasing Mid-Major and lesser type prospects. Attendance will suffer at places like Alabama since we won't be getting getting any Sextons,Quinerlys,Lewis's and Primo's as drawing cards.
At least in the short run this is the scenario I see. Let's see what you guys have to say.
With all the payoffs to top recruits,transfer waivers,constant transfers,pro offers from abroad,one and done crap and now big money offers from NBA G-League!
It's become worse than College Baseball it seems. The G-League has become the full fledged Minor league of NBA.
You can spend all your time/money/effort recruiting players against 300+ Schools get them to commit and then sign and still not be able to get them on campus.
It's a new world out there and something will have to change drastically. End result will be a poorer product on the floor in colleges. Spectacular players and plays will be few and far between. Blue Bloods will be after players we usually get and we will be chasing Mid-Major and lesser type prospects. Attendance will suffer at places like Alabama since we won't be getting getting any Sextons,Quinerlys,Lewis's and Primo's as drawing cards.
At least in the short run this is the scenario I see. Let's see what you guys have to say.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:30 pm to CrimsonFever
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So realistically the G league probably offered every recruit ranked in the top 40
What top 40?
The NBA isn't going to just blindly use a recruiting service top 40 when each team has their own scouting staff.
It would make more sense if they did their own scouting and presented offers to the players they want as opposed to just haphazardly offering 40 guys based on an eval from Joe Random. The NBA wants to run this as a multi million dollar business, so I would hope they are making more strategic moves than that.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:32 pm to My2Bits
NCAA is gonna start allowing players to get endorsements next season so they'll be able to go to college and still get however much that can in endorsements, which for the good players would be hundreds of thousands.
The people saying the G league is gonna be huge and have 10 or 15 players to go to it every year have no proof of that and are talking out of their arse imo. This year 4 players went, I have no reason to think all of the sudden next year 15 are gonna go.
College basketball has proven to be a great path to the NBA for top HS players, the G league is unproven in that respect, and as an NBA GM said last week "No one wants to be in the G league, not the players, not the coaches." The G league isn;t even aired regularly on cable.
The people saying the G league is gonna be huge and have 10 or 15 players to go to it every year have no proof of that and are talking out of their arse imo. This year 4 players went, I have no reason to think all of the sudden next year 15 are gonna go.
College basketball has proven to be a great path to the NBA for top HS players, the G league is unproven in that respect, and as an NBA GM said last week "No one wants to be in the G league, not the players, not the coaches." The G league isn;t even aired regularly on cable.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:32 pm to My2Bits
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Attendance will suffer at places like Alabama since we won't be getting getting any Sextons,Quinerlys,Lewis's and Primo's as drawing cards.
I wouldn't go that far at all. Collegiate fans are passionate as hell. We love to root for anyone wearing our school colors.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:34 pm to Chadaristic
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Attendance will suffer at places like Alabama since we won't be getting getting any Sextons,Quinerlys,Lewis's and Primo's as drawing cards.
You're way over reacting. There are still gonna be plenty of those players at Alabama and in college.
On the high side maybe 10 players go to the G league a year.
Most years I think it will be around 5 like it was this year.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:44 pm to CrimsonFever
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The people saying the G league is gonna be huge and have 10 or 15 players to go to it every year have no proof of that and are talking out of their arse imo. This year 4 players went, I have no reason to think all of the sudden next year 15 are gonna go
No one has said that the G-League is going to be huge. It is, has been, and forever will be a developmental minor league. The G-League is however now offering top recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to play basketball for them for a year instead of playing in college for free. Your assumption that they will continue to sign 4 guys a year rather than 10-15 guys a year is based on nothing besides speculation driven by your obviously biased opinion towards college basketball. 1 year of data from a new program is totally meaningless as a sample.
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College basketball has proven to be a great path to the NBA for top HS players, the G league is unproven in that respect, and as an NBA GM said last week "No one wants to be in the G league, not the players, not the coaches." The G league isn;t even aired regularly on cable.
Aside from a relatively brief window starting in the mid 90s and ending with the 1 and done rule, college has always been the only path to the NBA for American players until very recently when you had a few guys go play overseas and now this.
And you keep parroting that quote from an NBA GM like it means something. That's like an MLB GM saying no one wants to be in AAA. Like no shite they don't want to be in AAA. They all have the same goal of getting to the NBA/MLB.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:58 pm to Robot Santa
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Your assumption that they will continue to sign 4 guys a year rather than 10-15 guys a year is based on nothing besides speculation driven by your obviously biased opinion towards college basketball.
It's based on this year where the G league offered apparently 40 or so players contracts and so far only 4 have accepted.
What's speculation is that all of the sudden next year a lot more players are gonna go to the g league than did this year for some unknown reason. Next year there will be even less of a reason for players to go since they can make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of endorsements and other things while still playing in college.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:08 pm to CrimsonFever
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It's based on this year where the G league offered 40 or so players contracts and so far only 4 have accepted.
Again, one year, especially the first year, of a new program, is completely meaningless as a sample size. By your logic we might as well fire Oats now because the next 3 seasons will see us win a total of 50 games and miss the tournament every year.
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What's speculation is that all of the sudden next year a lot more players are gonna go to the g league than did this year for some unknown reason
Going from 4 to 10 or 11 is not a lot. That's 6 or 7 more guys. We aren't talking about going from 4 to 30. The initial group who goes that route are the guinea pigs. If all goes well for them then it is highly likely that more kids see it as a viable alternative.
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Next year there will be even less of a reason for players to go since they can make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of endorsements while still playing in college.
Or the players good enough to get 6 figure endorsements can go ahead and sign their shoe deals while also getting paid to play.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:13 pm to Robot Santa
All I can think of that the G league has to offer over college, is money, and that players won't have to go to school. Assuming that most top 20 college players get paid to sign with a school under the table anyway, what's the reason to choose the G league over college?
Travel and lodging in the G league is crap compared to college, there is way more money in college basketball than the g league, college basketball has huge TV contracts and millions of fans that follow the sport, the G league doesn't. in the G league you're basically gonna be forgotten about for over a year while getting to watch the guys ranked around you who went to college have their games and highlights on ESPN every week.
Travel and lodging in the G league is crap compared to college, there is way more money in college basketball than the g league, college basketball has huge TV contracts and millions of fans that follow the sport, the G league doesn't. in the G league you're basically gonna be forgotten about for over a year while getting to watch the guys ranked around you who went to college have their games and highlights on ESPN every week.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 5:23 pm to CrimsonFever
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All I can think of that the G league has to offer over college, is money, and that players won't have to go to school. Assuming that most top 20 college players get paid to sign with a school under the table anyway, what's the reason to choose the G league over college
Only Will Wade is paying that kind of cash for a player, and with under the table payments far less of a percentage goes to the player than what they're going to get post-taxes from the G-League. Also, not having to go to class and getting coached for more than 20 hours a week is a pretty big deal.
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Travel and lodging in the G league is crap compared to college
These guys aren't on a regular G-League team and won't have to travel like that. Also their lodging is paid for.
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the G league you're basically gonna be forgotten about for over a year while getting to watch the guys ranked around you who went to college have their games and highlights on ESPN every week.
Why would this be important? An army of NBA scouts will be at all of their games, and not being on TV hasn't exactly hurt the European imports in the NBA.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 5:44 pm to Robot Santa
Way more scouts go to watch top college players play than players in the G league. NBA scouts aren't flocking to G league games to watch 21 - 24 year old guys play who they have already seen play 3 or 4 years in college. They are flocking to college games to watch the guys who are gonna be 1st and 2nd round picks.
Better coaches in college too, any G league coach would love to be coaching in college than making under 50,000 coaching in the G league.
Charlie Henry left a head coaching job in the G league with the Windy City Bulls to be like the 5th assistant on our staff at Alabama.
Better coaches in college too, any G league coach would love to be coaching in college than making under 50,000 coaching in the G league.
Charlie Henry left a head coaching job in the G league with the Windy City Bulls to be like the 5th assistant on our staff at Alabama.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:12 pm to CrimsonFever
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Way more scouts go to watch top college players play than players in the G league
I need a link for this or are you just making stuff up and passing it off as facts again.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:19 pm to CrimsonFever
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Way more scouts go to watch top college players play than players in the G league.
I think you are missing a key point. These kids aren't just going to random G League teams. They are going to be on the G League Select Team which is expected to play in “an academy-type structure” that would “involve the creation of a new team that would play a unique, travel-heavy schedule and allow elite talent to team up together.”
"They can earn six figure salaries, incentives and sponsorship opportunities, obtain other contractual benefits, too, including one-on-one coaching, a full college scholarship and professional skills training."
I don't think we know nearly enough about it yet to just brush it aside and say it won't matter just because you don't what channel their games will be aired on. The NBA is clearly trying to elevate where the G League's reputation sits in the basketball world. I'm sure we will find out more in the near future and whatever all those extra details are may make that league more attractive to high schools kids that will be offered one of the deals.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:21 pm to Chadaristic
It’s hard for me to believe that the NBA would sink all of this money into the GLeague and then just ignore the players.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:27 pm to Chadaristic
We will see, I just don't think it's gonna be that big of a deal. It's a bad investment for the G league imo, having 5 - 10 top 40 prospects in their league every year is not gonna make it watchable. No one cares about the G league and this isn't gonna change that. I can think of way more reasons I'd rather go to college and play than the G league if I was a top 10 recruit right now.
The amount of publicity you get from playing on TV every game and having your highlights on sportscenter is a big deal in your name recognition and future marketing viability. That to me alone would be worth more than 400,000 dollars if I was a top player.
The amount of publicity you get from playing on TV every game and having your highlights on sportscenter is a big deal in your name recognition and future marketing viability. That to me alone would be worth more than 400,000 dollars if I was a top player.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:27 pm to Cobrasize
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It’s hard for me to believe that the NBA would sink all of this money into the GLeague and then just ignore the players.
Yeah, supposedly all 30 NBA teams will be allowed to scout every single game and practice.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:29 pm to Cobrasize
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Way more scouts go to watch top college players play than players in the G league
That’s just an asinine statement by him. It’s 2020, the NBA scouts will find a way to watch no matter what league. ESPECIALLY the G-League
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:32 pm to mistaken4193
Why would scouts invest more time watching the 5 top 40 players in the g league than watching the other 35 top 40 players are playing in college? Jalen Green is the only sure fire first rounder in this G league team. How many are in college? Use your common sense about how scouts are gonna allot their time and what they are gonna spend the most time watching.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 6:43 pm to CrimsonFever
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We will see, I just don't think it's gonna be that big of a deal. It's a bad investment for the G league imo, having 5 - 10 top 40 prospects in their league every year is not gonna make it watchable. No one cares about the G league and this isn't gonna change that.
"The NBA seems to regard its constantly improving minor league system, the G League, as superior to the NCAA for developing premier talent. This is true even though the G League costs the NBA and its owners money."
You think it's a bad investment and you're willing to die on that hill for reasons I don't understand, while the NBA and its owners are taking the opposite approach.
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