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re: UA Basketball (16-15, 8-10)
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:58 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:58 am to Robot Santa
After listening to some of the scrimmage and seeing the stat line post game, I am very excited about the future of the Basketball program. I think the floor is a season similar to last season and I am almost certain that we are a couple wins better too with the coaching changes. Any injuries at this point would lower my expectations drastically since we are already thin before the season begins.
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:26 am to pmacattack
Holy Crap, I am the only one just now seeing that the women's team beat some nobody in their exhibition game 105-16?! 
They should be ashamed of themselves.
They should be ashamed of themselves. Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:38 am to pmacattack
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we are a couple wins better too with the coaching changes.
I'd say that we are likely 5 wins better just based on coaching changes.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:44 am to Robot Santa
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He's small and a limited athlete, which projects him to be an undersized, perimeter oriented 2 guard and a guy who will likely struggle a lot on the defensive end. He can dribble and has a great shot though. I don't think he was undervalued or anything. His offer list was nothing impressive. He honestly probably lucked out a ton with the coaching change. He's a great fit for what Oats wants to do but would have been a poor fit in Avery's 15 year old hero ball offense.
And that is what having a specific identity can do for you compared to what we've done in the past.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:46 am to TiderNAL
Hell, not running Jr. out there is worth 5 wins.
The thing I’m gonna love the most is that Oats has said he is taking guys out if they turned down an Open 3. So everyone has the green light unlike last year when guys would hesitate,not trust themselves, and then heave up a brick nowhere close.
The thing I’m gonna love the most is that Oats has said he is taking guys out if they turned down an Open 3. So everyone has the green light unlike last year when guys would hesitate,not trust themselves, and then heave up a brick nowhere close.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 9:49 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:48 am to mistaken4193
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Hell, not running Jr. out there is worth 5 wins
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:51 am to Teague
they should have schedule a better opponent for sure. an intrasquad game would have helped them more
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
The ultimate Jr. Play was when we played Arkansas and had 5 on 2 advantage after getting a steal and Jr. stopped and heaved it up from 30 feet.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:55 am to mistaken4193
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The ultimate Jr. Play was when we played Arkansas and had 5 on 2 advantage after getting a steal and Jr. stopped and heaved it up from 30 feet.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:11 am to Robot Santa
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He's small and a limited athlete, which projects him to be an undersized, perimeter oriented 2 guard and a guy who will likely struggle a lot on the defensive end. He can dribble and has a great shot though. I don't think he was undervalued or anything. His offer list was nothing impressive. He honestly probably lucked out a ton with the coaching change. He's a great fit for what Oats wants to do but would have been a poor fit in Avery's 15 year old hero ball offense.
Agree with most of your points, but I think those are just reasons he was undervalued. I’d actually argue him as the kind of player Avery’s offense desperately needed though. In terms of what I had seen of our players as recruits, Shackelford is the best shot creating prospect I’ve ever seen us land, and we desperately needed that in his system.
With the way Oats talks about his competitiveness and his comment on him being the most ready-to-play freshman he’s coached, I think it’s hard to argue he wasn’t undervalued. He’s even raved about how his body is ready and his conditioning is the best on the team. I think the major reason of him being overlooked was his level of competition was considered terrible, but I still find it baffling that people couldn’t get past that and notate the incredibly high-level of skill he played with.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
Change my view: Avery Johnson Jr. was a worse college basketball player than his fellow beneficiaries of nepotism Saul Smith and Steven Pearl.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:31 am to Robot Santa
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Change my view: Avery Johnson Jr. was a worse college basketball player than his fellow beneficiaries of nepotism Saul Smith and Steven Pearl.
He was certainly worse than jheri curl Saul.
Steven was pretty frickin awful, he just played for his dad who was better at inserting him into spots where he couldn't destroy their team. I mean Avery Jr had the ball in his hands every time he was on the floor
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Steven was pretty frickin awful, he just played for his dad who was better at inserting him into spots where he couldn't destroy their team. I mean Avery Jr had the ball in his hands every time he was on the floor
Yeah, Steven was worse, he just wasn’t as detrimental for UT as Avery Jr. was for us considering how each were used.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
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He was certainly worse than jheri curl Saul.
Steven was pretty frickin awful, he just played for his dad who was better at inserting him into spots where he couldn't destroy their team. I mean Avery Jr had the ball in his hands every time he was on the floor
Yeah I feel the argument for Steven being worse is a lot stronger, but "don't frick up the game" is kind of a skill, no? One that Jr. unfortunately lacked.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:43 am to Robot Santa
Sure would be nice to be able to at least see some highlights of the game yesterday.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:50 am to BigBird09
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Agree with most of your points, but I think those are just reasons he was undervalued. I’d actually argue him as the kind of player Avery’s offense desperately needed though. In terms of what I had seen of our players as recruits, Shackelford is the best shot creating prospect I’ve ever seen us land, and we desperately needed that in his system.
With the way Oats talks about his competitiveness and his comment on him being the most ready-to-play freshman he’s coached, I think it’s hard to argue he wasn’t undervalued. He’s even raved about how his body is ready and his conditioning is the best on the team. I think the major reason of him being overlooked was his level of competition was considered terrible, but I still find it baffling that people couldn’t get past that and notate the incredibly high-level of skill he played with.
I mean, no matter how you slice it he was never a high priority recruit for major conference programs. He's just a difficult kind of player to project. If he never has any issues getting his shot off against bigger, stronger defenders then he's going to be a fantastic player. Because his shot is really good. That is a big if though, and probably one of the primary reasons why he was overlooked. Coaches would rather try to teach a big, long armed 6'6" guy to shoot than hope a 6'2" guy who already knows how won't have trouble getting his shot off against that 6'6" guy with the 7'1" wingspan that ended up signing with another team.
The part about him coming in physically ready to go is encouraging though. He may be a really late bloomer athletically.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:51 am to Robot Santa
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Yeah I feel the argument for Steven being worse is a lot stronger, but "don't frick up the game" is kind of a skill, no? One that Jr. unfortunately lacked.
Oh absolutely - but I think that goes back to (a) his dad is a good basketball coach who can both show nepotism and not allow it to destroy the game and (b) Steven played forward and Avery Jr played PG. Kind of hard to hide the PG if you are going to play him.
So, while they were both bad, I think the trump card is that Stephen's dad is a good basketball coach and Avery Jr's dad is not.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:58 am to Robot Santa
Avery Jr. was worse. He loves to throw around that “Have you ever scored 20 in a college basketball game” when he gets in an argument with fans....what he fails to tell you is that it took 4 frickING OVERTIMES!!
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
Fair points. Most of what I remember of Steven's time at UTk was just him setting screens and appearing to have a seizure while playing man defense. Neither of which would really cost his team games. Jr. meanwhile always found a spot 30 feet from the basket to post up, pick up his dribble, and wait for someone to come rescue him from his latest frick up with 8 seconds left on the shot clock.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:15 am to Robot Santa
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Fair points. Most of what I remember of Steven's time at UTk was just him setting screens and appearing to have a seizure while playing man defense. Neither of which would really cost his team games. Jr. meanwhile always found a spot 30 feet from the basket to post up, pick up his dribble, and wait for someone to come rescue him from his latest frick up with 8 seconds left on the shot clock.
LOLOLOLOL
Jr pulling up from 3 gave me a stronger seizure than watching Josh Smith pull up from 3 for the Hawks
And that is one helluva accomplishment
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